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24 February 2015 @ 10:34 pm
Agent Carter: Valediction  
I really hope this show comes back but if it doesn't, I feel like I can say it was a legitimately perfect show in its eight episodes.


I really have to hand it to Agent Carter for giving us some great characters, both villains and heroes and everyone else in between. I liked that while many characters strived to do good and be good in this series, some just never changed at the core. It was realistic and I loved it. Thompson still took the credit despite what he told Peggy in Russia. Howard is still a womanizer through and through although I'm glad he'll be destroying his "bad babies."

While I certainly didn't want Dr. Ivchenko (finally learned his name!) to win as he was willing to let hundreds of innocents die, I could sort of see his crazy point of view that Howard had to suffer. Ivchenko gets to be that villain who cannot see the suffering of others because he's so fixated on his own. It's wrong and his actions are wrong but he's not entirely wrong about Howard. I wouldn't exactly say Howard is a bad person but he does do bad things and can live with himself afterward. I don't mean the Midnight Oil debacle since that really wasn't his fault, but everything he did after with still building weapons and the womanizing...those are not good things. I was glad that the show didn't shy away from it and balanced out Howard's less than attractive qualities with some of his better ones.

Ultimately, I liked the backstory they gave Howard in what Steve Rogers meant to him (man, SO MUCH FODDER FOR FIC!) and his own awareness of all the destructive inventions he's created over the years. I wasn't exactly sympathetic toward Howard for much this series, even as I found him entertaining, until he told Peggy via radio that Project Rebirth was the one thing he'd ever done that brought any good into this world. My mind immediately went to the video Howard will one day make for Tony when he tells him that Tony is his greatest creation. That Howard ultimately will die indirectly via his own science that he did for Good is tragically ironic.

I got rather emotional when Peggy tried to talk Howard down. Mainly because it was a repeat of her talking to Steve over the radio and it was also full circle for her that she was telling herself as well that they all have to move on from losing Steve. I'd recovered sufficiently from that scene just in time to lose it again when Jarvis gave Peggy the last vial of blood. Oh Jarvis! I was so moved when he told Peggy that Howard doesn't own his integrity! And then I was just sad but in a good way as Peggy returned Steve to Brooklyn.

Which brings me to the last bit: SURPRISE TOBY JONES!!! I actually gasped when Zola appeared. That was the greatest cameo ever! I'm now so hoping there will be a season 2. I want to know what Zola and newly Hannibal Lectered Ivchenko will come up with. And I guess right now at least, Zola is in prison rather than "working" for the Americans while secretly building up Hydra again. I want to see how that all happens! Give me season 2!

Final Stray Observations:

1) I really do want to commend James D'Arcy for his great performance as Jarvis all around. I love how he's 100% loyal to Howard, but is constantly giving him the Sideeye of Disapproval in every other scene. I loved that he told Peggy that he'll always be happy to help should she need it as clearly now the idea of organizing spices might be a tad dull in comparison to some of the stuff he got to do with her.

2) Howard getting all fussy about the way the SSR scientists were treating his inventions was pretty funny. They really are his babies.

3) Sousa was clever until the end with the ear plugs and I was pleased. I liked that the show kept up that he's clearly sweet on Peggy and perhaps now she might be interested as well as she moves on with her life. But it was nice that the show didn't conclude with her going on that drink because she to meet up with her friend. That friend being...

4) Angie! Angie and Peggy are roommates again! There's a fic out there about Peggy inviting Angie to come live with her in Howard's modest (modest!) apartment and hear all about Peggy's real job. I'm so glad Angie will be around should season 2 happen. Give it to me!

5) Dottie has escaped, Zola is now with Ivchenko, and Peggy will one day soon be starting SHIELD with Howard. There is so much here for more stories. I want to see more of Hayley Atwell's fantastic acting and superb fighting! GIVE ME SEASON 2!
 
 
 
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 25th, 2015 04:00 am (UTC)
I had all the feels in this episode. All of them. I sort of attacked my mum with a rant during a commercial about how awesome this was and how much they were tying together and it concluded with me going 'that's how you do character development!'. Good job, show! Please don't leave us. I want more adventures. I want Howard and Peggy and Jarvis to go on adventures and save the world. And Angie and Peggy to have apartment adventures.

I really liked what they did with Howard, and I thought that Dominic Cooper did a really good job. He was breaking my heart a little. They wrote him pretty dirty and awful throughout the show, but I'm glad he came back (apparently of his own accord, when he realized how much harm he was causing) and that they gave him feelings and depth. I love how he tried to Stark his way through everything, and relied on the techniques that have got him through life, even if they are absolutely not working in this situation. I feel like there's lots of interesting parallels to be drawn between Howard before Steve and Tony before Afghanistan, and how both of them ultimately chose to deal with those situations that change their lives, and who they had in their lives that influenced how they reacted.

And Jarvis! Who is so lovely and sweet and full of integrity and willing to save the day, even if he's never shot down a man before, and...ouch my heart. I went into this show totally hating the idea of Jarvis being a real person, and now I want him to have lots of adventures and hit bad guys over the heads with plates while looking vaguely concerned, and be comically taller than Howard, and be super best buds with Peggy forever.

And I liked that Peggy was outmatched by Dottie in fighting, and that she wasn't perfect in that way, and also ouch my heart with being on the radio because, yeah, like you said, her last link to Steve is about to go the same way he did and she can't do anything but talk to him and this time it worked and then taking Steve home.

And all the minor characters and...this is how you character development, people!

I mentally cheered for you when Zola showed up. I knew you'd be happy about that. :-D

I want Season 2, but I am in no way disappointed with what we got, and at least I can fanfiction to my heart's content. But I want Anna Jarvis, and I want to know if Sousa is the future Mr Carter because fanfiction.

*deep breath* Sorry for the stream of consciousness response.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 25th, 2015 04:10 am (UTC)
I really liked what they did with Howard, and I thought that Dominic Cooper did a really good job.

I agree that Dominic Cooper did a great job. He played Howard in all his good and bad ways and always, always true to the character. I liked that as much as I began to sympathize with some of his own self-hatred, I always echoed Peggy's "You are disgusting!" in my head whenever he referenced all the women he's gone through. He was, in the end, very Howard Stark and it was great.

I want him to have lots of adventures and hit bad guys over the heads with plates while looking vaguely concerned, and be comically taller than Howard, and be super best buds with Peggy forever.

I loved that Jarvis remained forever enthusiastic about helping but didn't ever become an expert at fighting and stuff and always looked a little overwhelmed by those situations. He was a great damsel sidekick and yes, I want him and Peggy to be BFFs. Actually, when he gave Peggy the vial and explained why, I knew that would be the moment that he and Peggy will have each other's backs forever.

And I liked that Peggy was outmatched by Dottie in fighting,

Yeah, that was a nice testament to how good the training the in Red Room is. I also liked how brutal that fight looked. Clearly, neither Dottie nor Peggy were holding back when they threw punches at each other.

I mentally cheered for you when Zola showed up. I knew you'd be happy about that. :-D

What made me cheer/laugh even more is that I immediately daemon-ed that scene. I pictured Acantha flying out of the dark corner of the room first and landing in front of Ivchenko before Zola steps out all Evil Villain-like.

But I want Anna Jarvis, and I want to know if Sousa is the future Mr Carter because fanfiction.

Yes! To both!

Liliaethliliaeth on February 25th, 2015 04:31 am (UTC)
I'm actually hoping that Sousa won't be the future Mr Carter because I still hold hope that she'll end up married to Gabe Jones. Not just to take it on from the comics. But in part, because it opens up a theme for the second series. Since they pretty much ignored racism to focus on mysogony in the first season, it would be nice for the show to deal with the criticism of the lack of poc portrayed in any major role, and make a point about that. In showing that much as Peggy herself has to deal with prejudices because she's a woman, that she's still living in a world, where she overlooks her own and other people's issues in regards to race.
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The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 25th, 2015 04:33 am (UTC)
I felt like for Howard, what he really needs or needed was for someone to say to him that it was okay that he stopped looking for Steve. It sort of hit me when he flashed back to the arctic that there had to have been a moment when either he or someone else decided that Steve was gone and they had to stop looking for him. I kind of wanted Peggy to say 'it's okay, you can come home, it's okay that you couldn't find him'. I'm not sure if she did or not, in so many words. I had many emotions happening, I might have missed it or interpreted it differently.

Actually, when he gave Peggy the vial and explained why, I knew that would be the moment that he and Peggy will have each other's backs forever.

This! I felt like they established early on that Jarvis is a man who does the right thing, even if it's difficult (a direct contrast with Howard), when they had him talk about Anna (which maybe is why Howard agreed to help him; he saw in him that touch of Steve's integrity that he admired) and they kept that character trait consistent throughout. A lot of times those things get dropped along the way, or just tossed in for colour, but Edwin Jarvis will do what he thinks is right, and with evidently very little waffling. And his admiration for Peggy is very endearing, and very deserved. Because Peggy is awesome.

I also liked how brutal that fight looked.

Yes, especially since women don't tend to get that kind of knockdown, drag-out brawl in their fight scenes. As much as it was elegant karate, there was some serious 'grab what you can and hit with it' action there.

What made me cheer/laugh even more is that I immediately daemon-ed that scene.

Now that the show is over, we can daemon everyone! Huzzah! I'm rather relieved that I choose Jarvis' daemon from two lines of dialogue in the preview scene and I still feel like Haddie suits him at the end of the show.

Yes! To both!

So far, my Anna Jarvis is very Theresa of Lichtenstein-esque, for some reason. Maybe just the accent. And I don't mind at all the idea of Sousa and Peggy becoming married partners in badassery, and, like, saving the world and then coming home and reading the newspaper together on the couch and tucking their possible children in.




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aelfgyfu_mead: Peggy Carteraelfgyfu_mead on February 25th, 2015 11:54 pm (UTC)
I agree with so much here and in the comments that I hardly know what to say! I must come back when I am less full of feels and more articulate.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 26th, 2015 03:54 am (UTC)
So many feelings!!
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 26th, 2015 03:21 pm (UTC)
It begins!
I'm daemoning. What do you think about an aardwolf for Sousa?
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on March 4th, 2015 02:17 pm (UTC)
Re: It begins!
Ack! I had it bookmarked in my mind to reply to this when I saw it when I was visiting family and then the bookmark fell out of my mind.

I like the aardwolf for Sousa. It's a nice offshoot of Peggy's daemon and I particularly think the bit about how they have five toes in front but only four in the back.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on March 4th, 2015 03:17 pm (UTC)
Re: It begins!
No worries, happens to me all the time! I read a comment and think 'I'll reply to that later' and then it gets buried and I remember a week after the fact.

I didn't even noticed the similarities to the hyena until I'd already quite liked it for Sousa, and then I thought that was just a bonus. I can picture Takeo and Eitana shoulder to shoulder, looking over files together.

I have an Eastern rosella for Angie, and a sloth bear for Dooley, but that's as far as I've gotten.
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aelfgyfu_mead: Peggy Carteraelfgyfu_mead on March 10th, 2015 01:24 am (UTC)
I meant to come back when I was more articulate; I'm not sure I'm more articulate, but I am back!

I did like Steve's effect on Howard. I think Peggy has that effect on people, but a little less dramatically: Dooley and Thompson really seemed to improve from her work, though I don't think they fully realized why. (And Thompson is still kind of a jerk, but he's a jerk who can be a team player and come through when needed.)

it was a repeat of her talking to Steve over the radio and it was also full circle for her that she was telling herself as well that they all have to move on from losing Steve
Yes! And she told him that she couldn't lose another friend—acknowledging how much Howard means to her even though he's a worse jerk in some ways. The actress was wonderful in that scene—I was tearing up too.

Dr. Zola terrifies me. He was even scarier than what's-his-name in the Hannibal Lecter mask.

James D'Arcy was brilliant. "Sideeye of Disapproval" indeed! Yes, I think he's looking forward to occasional bits of excitement.

I also loved that Peggy doesn't have to fall in love at the end of the miniseries; meeting with her friend is more important than going for drinks with a guy! I still think she and Sousa will make a great couple, but I love that they ended with the two women.

I rarely see female friendship that means much to me on tv—partly because I don't see a lot of female friendship on tv. Angie and Peggy—I want to be friends with both of them! And I love how now Angie knows what Peggy really does, and they can talk to each other, and they have a mansion "modest apartment" to share.

I can't decide now whether I really want s2 more than I want the show to remain as perfect as it was. I think I will be happy either way. I will buy the series, and I will rewatch—what her parents watch is by definition uncool, but Daughter found out too late to join us that friends were watching. So I'll watch with her.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on March 10th, 2015 01:47 am (UTC)
I did like Steve's effect on Howard. I think Peggy has that effect on people, but a little less dramatically: Dooley and Thompson really seemed to improve from her work, though I don't think they fully realized why.

That's a good point and really speaks to the difference in Steve and Peggy's roles as people working as soldiers. Steve was literally made to be an inspiration to a nation and propped up as a symbol whereas Peggy's role in so many things can never be spoken of directly but seen in subtle changes that continue to grow over the years.

Dr. Zola terrifies me. He was even scarier than what's-his-name in the Hannibal Lecter mask.

I love Zola. I love him in the way that I love NBC's Hannibal Lecter: I hate everything he stands for and I adore watching him be the worst person in the world. I really do need to dust off that fic I started about Zola in the 1970s.

I rarely see female friendship that means much to me on tv—partly because I don't see a lot of female friendship on tv. Angie and Peggy—I want to be friends with both of them!

Yes! Angie and Peggy represent the kind of friendship I want with my female friends. They're so supportive of each other and talk about things that are not related to men in their lives and romance. I want this show to come back if anything to have their friendship lead the way for more female friendships to appear on TV.

Your commenting on this has reminded me that I'm 2 episodes behind in reviewing Elementary! And I had a lot of feelings going on for the last week's episode.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on March 15th, 2015 08:52 pm (UTC)
Awww! That raccoon! It looks so concerned but cannot resist the siren call of food.

I'm incredibly amused that the guy flying is totally sitting with his daemon. I'm waiting for the panda to lean over and offer some of that corn (?) he's eating.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on March 15th, 2015 09:22 pm (UTC)
Awww! That raccoon! It looks so concerned but cannot resist the siren call of food.

"I guess I'll just...take that...Okaybye."

That's exactly the way I imagine Dejeni first held Mim when Tomor handed her over after birth.

Dejeni: I'll just go really slowly and--
Mim: *peep*
Dejeni: Oh God, is that my fault? Tomor!

I'm waiting for the panda to lean over and offer some of that corn (?) he's eating.

Hee!

Panda: Want some?
Guy: No, thank you.
Panda: It's really good.
Guy: I, uh, I ate before we left.
Panda: Me too! But it's really good. Are you sure? Last chance.
Guy: No, I'm cool, thanks.

I just love the way its little feet are hanging off the seat. I'm picturing Bruce and Nemi flying, with Nemi super tense because of the enclosed space, and Tony and Mim are in the seat behind, with Mim popping over every few minutes to chat cheerfully with her.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on March 15th, 2015 09:32 pm (UTC)
Dejeni: I'll just go really slowly and--
Mim: *peep*
Dejeni: Oh God, is that my fault? Tomor!


Tomor: Jen, you've handled explosives that would cause a crater in New York. You can hold her.
Dejeni: But if I dropped a bomb, I'd be too dead to learn I broke anything. If I drop her-
Tomor: You won't drop her.
Dejeni: But-
Tomor: Look, you're holding her right now.
Dejeni: ...hey! This isn't so bad. It's kind of easy actually. She's so-
Demira: *peep*
Dejeni: Oh shit! I mean, dammit, I didn't mean to swear. Dammit! I mean, darn it.
Tomor: The ship sailed. Just wave to it.
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