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03 June 2013 @ 11:41 am
Hannibal Spoilers  
I just read the episode descriptions for the last two episodes of Hannibal.

You can read them yourself HERE.


Okay, firstly, I'm extremely pleased that Alana Bloom doesn't fall victim to Dr. Gideon. That would have been the laziest way to push Will over the edge and isn't the fact that he has untreated encephalitis while being gaslit by his therapist enough??

Also, now I'm super curious if getting Will arrested for the slew of Copy Cat murders has been Hannibal's endgame all along or if he made this choice last minute when Will got too close to figuring out Hannibal's hobbies. I'm leaning toward the idea that this was all a contingency plan for Hannibal. If Will got to close, he was going to get him arrested in his stead. But if somehow Will either 1) never figured it out or 2) figured it out but was all accepting about it somehow, he was going to let Will live. Twisted, Dr. Lecter. But what else do we expect?

When Will (Hugh Dancy) returns from Minnesota minus Abigail (Kacey Rohl), Hannibal (Mads Mikkelsen) turns Will in and Jack (Laurence Fishburne) and the BAU team find strong evidence of Will having killed not only Abigail but additional evidence points to all the murders of the Copy Cat Killer.

Why does the fact that Hannibal turns Will in make me sadder than the fact that he's been manipulating him this entire time? I don't want to see Will's face when it happens!!

Will takes Hannibal back to Minnesota to clear his name and to prove Hannibal’s guilt.

Well, I guess Will finally caught on. Or at least he caught on to some of Hannibal's evil deeds. But does he know the whole story? Does he know he's been feeding him people??

But before he can, the situation takes another ugly and unexpected turn.

Okay, I'm going to speculate that this somehow involves Abigail. Apparently Hannibal admitted something to her in the penultimate episode (cannibalism, yes?) and maybe he's messed with her enough so that she's on his side and tries to...I don't know? Murder to Will to protect her new cannibal dad?

It sounds like, indeed, this season ends with the Hannibal/Will bromance being done and done. I don't know if I'll be able to handle the ugly breakup of season 2. And when did watching friends breakup become more difficult to watch than seeing cannibalism on screen? This show has done a number on my head.
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quickyfant: crazy!Tenquickyfant on June 3rd, 2013 09:37 pm (UTC)
Do I want to get spoiled? I cant decide! This show is ruining my mind more than it should. I want everything to happen now and then I dont want to know anything because ahhh! Yes I am crazy. :S
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 4th, 2013 02:36 am (UTC)
Some of the spoilers are pretty heartbreaking.

But yes, Hannibal is making me question my sanity and my general decency as a human being. How am I laughing about Hannibal eating people?!
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 4th, 2013 02:57 am (UTC)
I read the spoilers! I dont want the breakup NOW! I wanted a second season of very twisted friendship! :(

I have signed up to a tumblr account I am watching stuff that calls itself fuckyeahhannibal and other stuff I never done before. I know Hannibal is the worst of the worst and have no fantasies him involving being an antihero or such, I know he is the villain, but why do I want him to be still be "friends" with Will even if he is a cannibal and a psychiatrist that has no ethics and is RUDE! :D I need help! :S
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 4th, 2013 03:27 am (UTC)
I know Hannibal is the worst of the worst and have no fantasies him involving being an antihero or such, I know he is the villain, but why do I want him to be still be "friends" with Will even if he is a cannibal and a psychiatrist that has no ethics and is RUDE! :D I need help!

This is also my lament. I KNOW Hannibal is bad for Will. He's literally driving the man crazy. But...but I somehow want the friendship (IT'S NOT EVEN FRIENDSHIP HE'S DRIVING HIM CRAZY!!) to continue.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 4th, 2013 03:39 am (UTC)
He sends him to another serial killer that already told him he would kill the police that visits him in his business, he kills a girl to show him ~the negative~, he knows he has encephalitis for five episodes before doing malpractice, I dont know there is no limit to his evilness and well he eats people. But I dont want them to breakup yet. I know I am being so unfair for Will, because even if the breakup will traumatize him even more, I want this to continue.

And yes something is very wrong when you can laugh at scenes and tell yourself the brandy is people and still want the terrible horrible cannibal to remain free to be the worst ever.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 4th, 2013 03:45 am (UTC)
I think part of why I want the friendship to continue is that Hannibal is capable of making Will smile and feel secure. It's not for honest, genuine reasons but he CAN do it and few people can. And somehow I've bought into the idea that maybe something real can come from this.

But it really, really, REALLY can't.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 6th, 2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
I am re-watching the episodes, because I am obviously obsessed and lost to this show. And I really dont know what Hannibal thinks. Really. He seems to be Will's friend even more than Will. Will has been very clear telling him from the beginning to keep things professional. Will doesnt even call Hannibal by his name, always Dr. Lecter. But at the same time comes uninvited in the early morning or late at night to Hannibals home and asks him to dog-sit. :S I dont know even if Will would be so devastated when he finds out about Hannibal, because even in his worst ever and evilness I see Hannibal much more invested in this "friendship" than Will.

And I am not ruling out that Hannibal even trolls himself. Is he auto-sabotaging his friendship with Will? Is he not only addicted to the pain of other people but also his own? I am still very intrigued if Bedelia his therapist is alive or only in his brain. But if she turns out to be in his own mind, it would support my theory that he is secretly a masochist as well as a sadist. When she calls him a person suit and he is for a moment ?sincerely? sad about it and says thats what the other psychiatrist (he ate and that also are in his head?) call him, I wouldnt be surprised if his own subconscious trolls him. :S

And because my brain works in really weird ways, not finding any fic that satisfies my even not clear to me picture of this friendship, I started to re-read your Trickster stories. I dont know, I wanted friendship, and apparently Harry's scruffiness and Bob's dapper dressing are a parallel to Will and Hannibal. The difference that even if we know that Bob once was the worst also, he know genuinely cares about Harry, and Hannibal I dont even know anymore. :S :S :S So I let you know that I read the whole Trickster series again, and loved it again.

I am in a very bad location, internet wise so I am moping around that I dont know when I will be able to see todays episode. :( I will drown my sorrows re-watching the past episodes, and re-reading Bob and Harry to keep somewhat sane until I can watch todays episode.

I have been trying to see how tumblr and tweeter work so I can join the fandom in real-time this time, but I dont know why its harder for to get the rules and etiquette and honestly everything about those two sites, than it was for LJ.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 6th, 2013 11:30 pm (UTC)
I dont know even if Will would be so devastated when he finds out about Hannibal, because even in his worst ever and evilness I see Hannibal much more invested in this "friendship" than Will.

I think Will does value Hannibal's friendship but in a somewhat selfish way. Will is someone who has such trouble relating to people that even people he likes, he has trouble being with them. One of the reasons why I think Will seeks out Hannibal's company at times is because Hannibal is very good at (seemingly) maintaining boundaries with Will and not demanding anything from him. Once Will finds out about what's been going on, his devastating will come from knowing a person he trusted to be someone Will can rely on in keeping his sanity is actually the crazies of all.

Is he not only addicted to the pain of other people but also his own?

This is a good point. If the show is keeping the backstory for Hannibal Lecter (or something similar) as in the books, he must have had early feelings of survivor's guilt and self-hatred that still underlies his abilities (or lack thereof) to really connect with another human being.

I let you know that I read the whole Trickster series again, and loved it again.

Aw, thank you! :)

I used to say that I could probably insert my Trickster into just about every fandom out there. But I think "Hannibal" is the first show where I can't even imagine how the Trickster character could pop up. I even managed to have him make an appearance in a "Cloud Atlas" fic but somehow never a "Hannibal" fic.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 10th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
If the show is keeping the backstory for Hannibal Lecter (or something similar) as in the books, he must have had early feelings of survivor's guilt and self-hatred that still underlies his abilities (or lack thereof) to really connect with another human being.

I not sure if I want them to keep the backstory for Hannibal. I really didnt like Hannibal or Hannibal Rising, the books and the movies. :S
But I do like self-hatred...even if we know he would be able to feel just a little bit of it since he is really the most unfeeling of them all, but I do love some self-loathing.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 10th, 2013 02:27 am (UTC)
I not sure if I want them to keep the backstory for Hannibal.

I go back and forth on this. On one hand, I found it very chilling when Hannibal of the books answered the question of "what happened to you to make you this way?" with a simple, "Nothing. I happened." It so frightening to consider that some people just ARE this way. There's no catalyst or cause. He just is which is supremely more frightening than the more logical Trauma Made Him This Way explanation. That whole thing sort of diminished the specialness of Hannibal's awfulness.

However, I did like knowing that long ago there was at least one person in Hannibal's life whom he loved in a genuine sort of way. I somehow had in mind that even if Misha had survived, Hannibal still would have become a serial killer but maybe not a cannibalistic serial killer. He'd still be murdering the rude and possibly have an extremely twisted relationship with his sibling.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 10th, 2013 02:42 am (UTC)
I really liked the 'Nothing. I happened' much more than the Trauma made me do it. :S Its also weird how I like the totally evilness of this TV Hannibal, to the "code" of only eating the rude. I have found a lot of people being disturbed that the 'chivalry' of Anthony Hopkins Hannibal isnt present in this one. I rather find it nice, in a makes more sense way. When he went and killed a girl so that Will could see the positive, when being shown the negative, I enjoyed it more than if the show would have made him eat only the rude.
I think the 'eats only the rude' is what has made some people hope that he is some kind of antiheroe, or misunderstood character, or that he has some good in him! :S

But it also intriguing to know that maybe at the beginning he did genuinely care and that the death of his sister did make him a person suit altogether.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 10th, 2013 02:46 am (UTC)
I'm not an expert on the books, but I got the sense that Hannibal only displayed chivalry toward Clarice who is in a special category. Also, by the time we got to the Hannibal book, I'd like to think that prison time changed Hannibal in someways so that he could be a bit...softer? toward certain people.

The TV Show's Hannibal is riding high on his own genius and passing off as a normal person that he's cocky and cruel.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 10th, 2013 02:51 am (UTC)
Yes that could explain things, he hasnt been caught, he is really too full of himself right now, and that will get him caught. I am scared and looking forward to this Hannibal showing more of his crazy, ala Anthony Hopkins, when he is finally behind bars! :D I dont know why but I have the feeling Mads Mikkelsen will do a great job of it, when wont have to pretend anymore...even though I will miss his smirks and more subtle acting of now! :)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 10th, 2013 02:54 am (UTC)
I'm just super curious how he'd do it. Having seen Mikkelsen in other things, he's not a very show-y actor. Even when he was in what could pass for a Danish screwball comedy he was pretty sedate.

I sort of imagine his slightly more unhinged Hannibal as being just as quiet but much more free flowing with the overt, "I'll eat your brains with chianti" threats.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 10th, 2013 03:43 am (UTC)
I look forward to more unhinged Hannibal played by Mads! Yes, all his conversations would be similar to the dinner with Tobias. I was going to kill you. Not with the food, poor food. But maybe I would have made you into my next dinner. And then he will be free to tell all people he wants to eat them.

Now that I am obsessed with this show, I am also obsessed with Mads Mikkelsen. So that I rented Casino Royale to watch it again, just to see Mads Mikkelsen be the worst in something more. I watched 'Hunted' but wastn very positively impressed by it, but that because I had squick issues.
Now I am considering watching him in Valhalla Rising.
In what comedy have you seen him?
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 10th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
I highly recommend "The Door" if you're in the mood for some good acting from Mikkelsen. It's a German film (his voice got dubbed in the version I was able to get) about time travel and trying to right wrongs.

In what comedy have you seen him?

It was called Shake It All About. He plays a gay man who proposes to his boyfriend of several years but soon after falls in love with a woman. The whole idea was okay but I have a feeling overt comedy is not Mikkelsen's thing.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on June 10th, 2013 03:53 am (UTC)
I will try and find 'The Door'! Thank you! I found Valhalla Rising with some difficulty, so I hope I will get lucky with that one too! :)

Yes after watching him being evil in so many ways its weird picturing him in a comedy! :)
Dusty: SPN. Dean + Lightsdustlines on June 4th, 2013 02:33 am (UTC)
Also, now I'm super curious if getting Will arrested for the slew of Copy Cat murders has been Hannibal's endgame all along...

*gasps* Oh my goodness! I've been suspecting that was happening, but I wasn't sure if I was just reading into things! The last episode certainly showed that Hannibal is more than willing to let a mentally damaged person convince herself that she's done a crime Hannibal committed, and I felt very strongly that his handing Georgia the razorblade and letting her absorb it into her consciousness, along with the murder, was a form of foreshadowing. And now Hannibal is seeing that Will exhibits a similar condition that is literally already making Will think---however briefly---that he is a killer. It would not take a big push for Hannibal to make Will believe he's finally snapped and actually is killing people, especially when his mind is trying so hard to make himself think that he is.

You really start to see the evil in Hannibal when you realize that the closer he is to you, even in a friendship context, the deeper the horror he can hit you with if you suddenly seem "valuable" to him.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 4th, 2013 02:44 am (UTC)
And let's not forget that he's withheld from Will the fact that he has an actual medical condition causing his hallucinations. That to me is so far the most egregious of Hannibal's acts against Will. I expect cannibalism from Hannibal Lecter but medical malpractice was just icing on the Evil Cake.

I guess the one thing about Will that I'm holding out for is that his mind is actually too strong to fall for Hannibal's suggestions that he's a murderer. It's like that scene when Will absolutely finally insisted on a brain scan because he knows he's crazy but not THIS brand of crazy. That sort of mental strength, I think, is what probably attracts and frustrates Hannibal. It's similar to what happened with Hannibal and Clarice in the later books.
Dustydustlines on June 4th, 2013 03:10 am (UTC)
Oh, I certainly can't forget that. I can understand why Hannibal is doing it, though. If he's trying to groom a scapegoat for his crimes, a sane-minded person is less likely to fall into that trap. Or, more specifically, a sane-minded person is less likely to actually believe he/she really is a killer. And if Hannibal can convince Will that he is one, then Hannibal has the perfect alibi because, "Look! Here is a man who believes he has done all these crimes! Look at the guilt he feels for them! It's impossible to think he's innocent if even he knows he's not. And he's obviously not stable. It's really a shame when great minds war against themselves."

...yeah, I don't know if making that quote-form was needed, but I don't feel like going back and revising. ^_^'

I guess the one thing about Will that I'm holding out for is that his mind is actually too strong to fall for Hannibal's suggestions that he's a murderer.

That would be a remarkable scene. I can picture Hannibal letting his guard down just slightly around Will because he thinks Will is no longer a potential threat, but a potential victim, and in that moment of vulnerability/twisted pity, Will could rise up and show what he's made of.

What's weird about this show is that even though I enjoy it and it makes me think, I can't even begin to conceive of what kind of fanfic must be written for it. I mean, would you ever write for it? And if you did, what topics would you focus on? The "friendship" is fascinating, but it holds no opportunities for tenderness, really.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 4th, 2013 03:25 am (UTC)
What's weird about this show is that even though I enjoy it and it makes me think, I can't even begin to conceive of what kind of fanfic must be written for it. I mean, would you ever write for it? And if you did, what topics would you focus on? The "friendship" is fascinating, but it holds no opportunities for tenderness, really.

I think the only fanfic I could ever write would be maybe from the POV of a secondary character (maybe Katz or Price?) about something mundane that hints at the awfulness really going on. The Will/Hannibal "friendship" is the core reason why I'm watching but I can't even begin to figure out how I'd fic it.
Dusty: SPN. Rainy Daysdustlines on June 4th, 2013 04:18 am (UTC)
Maybe it's just because I haven't seen the first two (or three?) episodes yet, but I don't know what Hannibal's deal with Jack is. Was that explained? Because it it hasn't been, I'd probably tackle that a little. Theoretically.

The Will/Hannibal "friendship" is the core reason why I'm watching but I can't even begin to figure out how I'd fic it.

The only think I can think of immediately is a Hannibal POV fic that makes the reader nervous, though the fic is visually innocuous. Something like Will and Hannibal driving somewhere when their car breaks down, and they have to walk a few miles to the nearest town. It's hot and Hannibal is light-headed because he's hungry, and Will is babbling about random things, most of them jokes, but Hannibal isn't really hearing him because he's hungry. The fic could be emphasizing this innocuous craving for normal food to sustain his body, not even necessarily touching on the cannibalism issue, but Will being next to him---and furthermore, Will being isolated while next to him (while also trusting Hannibal, too)---puts Will into a position of vulnerability that could remind readers of a moth dancing too close to a fire, not knowing a draft could pick up that could lead to them being burned them alive. It could be a friendshippy fic, but at the same time, readers' pre-existing knowledge makes it clear it's not.

Oh crap, this sounds interesting to me. Why did I even bring this topic up? URG. *clutches head*
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 6th, 2013 11:22 pm (UTC)
I don't know what Hannibal's deal with Jack is. Was that explained? Because it it hasn't been, I'd probably tackle that a little. Theoretically.

Jack was referred to Hannibal by Alana Bloom after Jack said he needed someone to help Will not go over the edge. Since then, Hannibal sort of became Will's unofficial therapist.

I feel like Hannibal's relationship with Jack is overlaid by a couple of things. One is that he's punishing Jack over the whole "Let's Pretend Dr. Gideon is the Chesapeak Ripper" article he had Freddie Lounds write. But at the same time, he sympathize with Jack over Jack's pending widowhood as Jack's wife revealed she has cancer.