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24 February 2013 @ 03:44 pm
Sherlock News  
I googled and Tumblr'd (that was scary) about Sherlock and turned up a couple of things. I'm not sure how spoilery this is. Some clue words have gone out and there has been some confirmation on who will be writing what episode.


The clue words that have gone out for this series are rat, wedding, and bow. I'm not sure what 'rat' might be in reference to but I'm going to speculate that 'bow' is a reference to "His Last Bow," which was the last collection for the original canon stories and 'wedding' means John is finally going to get married. Moffat and Gatiss have spoken before about wanting to see how Sherlock would deal with John moving out so it seems natural that they'd move in the direction of following the canon and getting John married.

Like seasons past, Moffat, Gatiss and Thompson will each be writing one episode. Gatiss has confirmed that he'll be doing the first episode of series 3, which details Sherlock's return. This leaves Moffat and Thompson to handle the rest. I'm praying to whatever deity that will listen that Thompson will be handling the creation of John's wife rather than Moffat. After the shambles that was the female characters department in season 2 of this show, they desperately need a good modernized Mary Morstan. If I have to deal with some male fantasy-driven Mary Sue from Moffat's pen as the new Mary Morstan, heads will roll. I want Mary (I'm largely assuming that John's wife will be Mary) to be complex and interesting. Someone with flaws but also talents who seems like an actual person the same way John seems like an actual person. DO NOT FUCK WITH THIS, WRITERS, PLEASE.
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The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Watson's cute noseawanderingbard on February 24th, 2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
I've seen some speculation that 'rat' is a reference to 'The Boscombe Valley Mysterty', where the word 'rat' is a large clue. There's a Moran in that story as well, apparently, though not Sebastian, and I've seen some speculation that they might merge or connect that with The Empty House.

I too am praying for a Thompson Mary, though if John is going to stay with her, she'll no doubt get the Moffatt treatment at some point. But hopefully Thompson will give her a good voice before then. And there are other stories involving weddings, so we may be jumping the gun. I saw someone talking about how The Blind Banker was very similar to The Sign of Four (I haven't read it, so I can't comment) and with the alliterative name of Sarah Sawyer, they were hoping she might be this John's Mary Morstan, and come back. Which I would support whole heartedly, but I doubt they would have written her out so abruptly if that were the case.

formerly lifeinsomniac: SherlockChaseScenejoonscribble on February 24th, 2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
I saw someone talking about how The Blind Banker was very similar to The Sign of Four (I haven't read it, so I can't comment)

Hm. I didn't read that story either though I did watch the Granada adaptation of it. If they remained relatively faithful to the plot, I can't quite see the parallels. Other than perhaps both stories being about stolen exotic goods. Still, if this means Sarah is essentially Mary, I'm willing to go with it.

Mary in the original was seemingly killed off via circumstances not explained. If the show does John marry, I think his wife will probably last about a season. Unless she's unusually popular with fans which I'm going to be skeptical about.

As a related aside, I recently re-read the ficlet you wrote for me about the two Watsons meeting. I continue to love it to bits. I'm suddenly desperate want a longer crossover. Not for romance purposes but I just want to see John and Joan remaining friends. Perhaps they can do email correspondence or Skype. Although it probably can't go on for very long that neither mentions the name of their eccentric roommate. And what are the odds of two British detectives named Sherlock Holmes?

And I'm just rambling now.
The Writer They Call Tay: DH: Random Happenstanceawanderingbard on February 24th, 2013 10:52 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't picture Mary lasting very long, either. Especially since there are people who hate her and she hasn't even appeared yet. My impression was The Blind Banker was a mish-mash of canon stories, so maybe people were just picking up on certain elements. It's more The Dancing Men, IMO.

I've been thinking more on that story, too. I have a relatively plausible explanation for there being two Sherlock Holmes in the world, I think. Two distant branches of a family tree, and both Sherlocks named in honour of a common ancestor. I can even justify two Watsons of similar backgrounds. But I think it would get really, really implausible with two Irene Adlers and two Moriartys. Unless they are the same people and just really have a kink for people named Sherlock.

But I could go with John and Joan deciding to use pseudonyms because of her confidentially agreement....

I may explore it a little more. Unless you had plot bunnies? I don't want to step on toes.
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aelfgyfu_mead: John Watsonaelfgyfu_mead on February 24th, 2013 11:08 pm (UTC)
I would love it if Sarah Sawyer came back! I thought she was awesome, and I was disappointed that she didn't even appear in series 2. But they didn't even say why in the series, just in the blog (which is deuterocanonical at best), so I think it would be easy to fix her disappearance.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 24th, 2013 11:13 pm (UTC)
I'd love to see Sarah come back. And yeah, her disappearance would be easy to fix. However, my only fear is that if John's wife must go later on, they might kill Sarah which I definitely do not want. Hopefully we'd just get a divorce?
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aelfgyfu_mead: Aelfgyfu and Cnutaelfgyfu_mead on February 24th, 2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
I'm praying to whatever deity that will listen that Thompson will be handling the creation of John's wife rather than Moffat. . . . DO NOT FUCK WITH THIS, WRITERS, PLEASE.
Amen!
k is obviously for hurricane: morganakatarzi on February 25th, 2013 12:48 am (UTC)
I just think it's improbable that they are going to go with His Last Bow for the s3 finale if they plan on doing additional series. You can't back out of that one like you can from Reichenbach. That being said there's not much of a clue in the other stories that you can use "bow" for, sigh. But on the other hand I can see them closing up Sherlock after three series - everyone is seemingly too busy to do it nowadays, lol!

Also re: wedding - there are definitely lots of stories involving weddings, but yeah, probably John's wedding is the one in question. I don't really see TBB and SoF as being a similar plotline (but then what about the original Sign of Four is even remotely okay to put in a modern story, it's all insanity with pygmies and blow-darts...).

I do wish they'd have a Devil's-Foot Root episode, that's basically one of my absolute favourite stories - but of course it works less with Sherlock over his drug addiction, since most interpretations of it use it as the turning point for Holmes' cocaine use (ugh, spectacular Granada version is spectacular). I'd also like a Blue Carbuncle one - but of course the chances of that are slim, lol!

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The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Watson giggleawanderingbard on February 25th, 2013 04:36 am (UTC)
'Bow' is a collection of stories too, isn't it? Maybe they were just implying they were using one of them? Or 'bow' like a ship, maybe? That's the only two meanings of the word I can think of, at least for that pronounciation of it.

I'd really love for them to do Copper Beeches at some point, myself. Just make sure that Moffatt doesn't get hold of Violet Hunter. I dread to think what he would do with her.
formerly lifeinsomniac: SherlockChaseScenejoonscribble on February 25th, 2013 04:42 am (UTC)
Just to add on, one of my favorites that the Granada production did very well was "The Crooked Man." I think that one would be fairly easy to translate to the modern times. It's chock full of angst which is always a good thing in my books.

I suppose 'bow' could also be in reference to a violin bow. Although what you can do with that I'm not entirely clear on.
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Sherlock cameoawanderingbard on February 25th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC)
I think they definitely pronounced bow to rhyme with cow, which narrows it does somewhat.

Isn't The Crooked Man the story Sherlock was telling to his support group on Elementary a couple of weeks ago?
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Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: ST_Captain'sChairguardian_chaos on February 25th, 2013 07:32 am (UTC)
I googled and Tumblr'd (that was scary) about Sherlock and turned up a couple of things.

My Tumblr urges have been all too intense lately. For me, it's been information about the upcoming Star Trek movie, though. *gnashes teeth* MAY 17TH, WHY SO FAR AWAAYYY???

The clue words that have gone out for this series are rat, wedding, and bow.

Weren't the teaser words for last season an anagram for "Sherlock Returns" or something to that effect? Though I don't know what the letters of "rat," "wedding," and "bow," could be mixed up to create.

I'm vaguely horrified by the idea of John getting married. I feel like his wife would end up kind of dull in contrast to all the other people around her, like she's getting wedged into a story that's already made and doesn't need her in it. But then, I protest characters made purely to be a love interest pretty much on principle, so... *shrugs*

I'm praying to whatever deity that will listen that Thompson will be handling the creation of John's wife rather than Moffat.

AHHHHHHH, NOOOOO, NOT MOFFAT. Not here! Why would you invoke such horrifying imagery? Terrifying. Simply awful.

Sometimes I think about how horrified everyone was that Joan Watson was going to be a terrible character, and I want to laugh at how wrong everyone was. But then I'm faced with the possibility of female characters in BBC!Sherlock and I experience significantly less hope.

The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Sherlock shockawanderingbard on February 25th, 2013 04:42 pm (UTC)
Weren't the teaser words for last season an anagram for "Sherlock Returns" or something to that effect? Though I don't know what the letters of "rat," "wedding," and "bow," could be mixed up to create.

I think the 'Sherlock Returns' actually came out on the trailers, with the descriptions turning into 'Sherlock Returns', a la this. The teasers last year were 'The Woman, The Hound' and... 'The Professor', I think? Or 'The Fall', one of those. Which were fairly straightforward. Now they're just being cruel.

Sometimes I think about how horrified everyone was that Joan Watson was going to be a terrible character, and I want to laugh at how wrong everyone was. But then I'm faced with the possibility of female characters in BBC!Sherlock and I experience significantly less hope.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with Steve Thompson's females. He gave us Sarah and awesome!Molly. And Gatiss isn't bad, or at least doesn't make me want to punch him. It's just Moffat who turns everyone, male or female, into useless twits around Sherlock. I even find his John becomes a bit useless around Sherlock. If you look at the difference between John in Scandal and John in Baskerville, there's a bit of a discrepancy in capability. And Molly in Scandal and Molly in Reichenbach as well. So hopefully, we can pray that we'll get more of a Sarah than an Irene.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 26th, 2013 12:32 am (UTC)
I can only say "what awanderingbard said" with regard to female characters.

I've usually noticed overall that when Moffat writes an episode, the characters tend to speak and banter in that very rapid fire way. The last time I watched the entire show, I noticed that in the Moffat episodes, John has a tendency to always give a variation of the line, "No, seriously, what?" And now I can't unsee it and it drives me insane every time I hear it now.
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formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 26th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
For me, it's been information about the upcoming Star Trek movie, though. *gnashes teeth* MAY 17TH, WHY SO FAR AWAAYYY???

I'm still looking forward to this. I had a momentary detour in my enthusiasm after I saw Zachary Quinto in a DISASTER of a performance in "The Glass Menagerie." I've almost never walked out on a play in my life but I did for this. That's just how bad the acting was.

But, I'm completely back on track with my Star Trek enthusiasm!
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: ST. Kirk_HappyWithoutAPriceguardian_chaos on March 8th, 2013 04:20 am (UTC)
Oh, gaaaahh, sorry, 'Scrib, I've been such a butthead about replying in a timely fashion this semester. I hope you're well and that everything in your life is Supremely Nice!

I feel like I go back and forth with my feelings about Zachary Quinto. As an actor, I overwhelmingly love the deep respect he has for the Spock character, and he and Leonard Nimoy get along so well that I have difficulty hating him. On the other hand, sometimes I think his acting could use a little work. I want him to get there, though. I think he can. My fingers are tightly crossed.

OH, BUT I LOVE CHRIS PINE'S KIRK SO MUCH. He's a favorite character of mine to watch, so it's odd that I don't really feel compelled to write him into many things. Maybe I just really like him the way he is. *shrugs* He is a rare instance in which I am already 100% pleased with his character, to the point at which no alterations feel necessary. I'm so psyched to see him in the movie. You have no idea. :D