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14 February 2012 @ 09:27 pm
Sherlock Holmes, Once Again  
Not sure how many people knew about this but CBS is going to do a new series titled Elementary that is their own modernization of Sherlock Holmes and his mysteries. They've cast Jonny Lee Miller as the lead.

How funny that Miller starred with Benedict Cumberbatch in Frankenstein! Think they'll swap notes?
 
 
 
aelfgyfu_mead: Sherlockaelfgyfu_mead on February 15th, 2012 03:04 am (UTC)
That's hilarious! Yes, they will totally swap notes.

I still have no plans to try the CBS series.
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Sherlock shockawanderingbard on February 15th, 2012 03:12 am (UTC)
I'm kind of interested to see if it's going to be a straight rip-off or if they have their own take on it. I guess I'll have to wait and see. The way things are developed, it could be that it was conceived at the same time or even before the bbc show. Like how Titanic the musical and Titanic the movie came out at the same time.

It's weird that Johnny has been cast. Do he and Ben have a penchant playing the same parts? I can already see the fanfics where bbc!Sherlock and Elementary!Sherlock switch places or bump into each other or have pretend to be each other. I think I can see him playing the part, though I have to confess the role I associate with him is Mr. Knighly and he's rather cuddly.

Speaking of weird coincidences, I was watching Martin Freeman's "Who Do You Think You Are?" and his grandfather was in the army medical core in WWII. He also has an older brother named Benedict.
The other Weird Al: minisherlock - no sheetaeron_lanart on February 15th, 2012 09:38 am (UTC)
From what I've read CBS approached Moffat to ask if they could do an American reworking of the series - there were talks and everything for a bit - though nothing came of it. As soon as CBS mentioned doing their *own* series, The Moff and his gang (his wife, Sue Vertue as well as Gattis) closed ranks to protect their baby. Any attempts by CBS to use a tech background in the same way Sherlock does for instance (texting, the net, etc) will be a breach of copyright and CBS will have the might of an angry Moff and his team to contend with.
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Watson giggleawanderingbard on February 15th, 2012 12:32 pm (UTC)
That's...I get that they want to protect it, but how do you set a show in modern times without using the technology? Unless it means, use it in the same way with Sherlock's thoughts floating up on the screen and the overlays of maps and computer screens and such.

I never understood the point of American remakes. What's wrong with the British originals? I know I'm a bit of an anglophile, but I very rarely find myself not understanding a British show and if don't get something, I look it up and then I have new knowledge.
formerly lifeinsomniac: SherlockChaseScenejoonscribble on February 15th, 2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
I'm also highly skeptical that the CBS show would be able to avoid using texting and the internet as part of their series. It's too ubiquitous within our current times to somehow avoid its use if they plan on updating Sherlock Holmes. If that's what's going to cause Moffat and crew to sue, they'll be in for a seriously long legal battle.

However, I do see as awanderingbard pointed out that using floating texts on screen or having Sherlock's thoughts appear will be better cause for Moffat suing.

I have no idea if CBS plans on actually having a character called Sherlock Holmes who is British and living with a roommate in New York and solving cases. Or if they plan on having an American detective who investigates cases that are reminiscent of old Sherlock Holmes cases with a modern twist.

At this point, I don't know which would be better. Given my track record, I'll obviously tune in at some point. I am starting to suffer a little bit from Sherlock Holmes Overload but we'll see.
The other Weird Al: Sherlock - sherlock and john gifaeron_lanart on February 15th, 2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
I've not taken full notice of the articles I've read (my bad) regarding this but from what I can gather it's not the tech itself, but the way they've used it and the way it's been translated to a modern setting. This explains it better I think.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Heart+Mindguardian_chaos on February 16th, 2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
I must say, your icon is fantastic! :D
The other Weird Al: minisherlock - frood john towelaeron_lanart on February 17th, 2012 12:33 am (UTC)
It's snaggable as long as the original artist is credited, I nicked it off jinxed_wood who iconned the artwork
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Polestarguardian_chaos on February 16th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
Can I say that I do like the name of this spin-off? I don't know what I think about everything else. I haven't even seen the American version of Being Human, so my seeing Elementary kind of relies on it being on already whenever I choose to stumble into rooms that contain people watching television.

I've looked up some pictures of Jonny Lee Miller, and while I'm not immediately drawn to his face, well, the same was true with Benedict Cumberbatch at first. Which changed drastically as I kept watching BBC's Sherlock. XD

Notes between them could be good! I'm mainly curious about who is going to be cast as Watson at this point. I think a good Watson is immensely important for any Sherlock adaptation to succeed, otherwise Sherlock just seems too out there to fit into his own universe. I think that's what happened to CBS's The Mentalist.
Shezanshezan on February 17th, 2012 01:59 am (UTC)
Apparently Watson is to be a woman, former surgeon but nor ex-military.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: TemptingFateguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 02:03 am (UTC)
What? I'm sorry, what?

Oh great, I predict "love interest" themes. I'm all for great, main character females, but something in me cringes outright at even the mention of a female Watson because I just can't see it being done right.

"Former surgeon" just pushes the point home. What? She can't be a female who fights?

...HOW CAN I PROCESS THIS? *flails about*
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Sherlock shockawanderingbard on February 17th, 2012 03:25 am (UTC)
I...but...seriously? I can get that they might think they needed a female lead but...I really think Lestrade might make a better female. ...That was not sentence I expected to type today. Or ever. But that would fit into the current climate of "eccentric male non-police who helps solve crimes with a no nonsense female cop" shows a la The Mentalist, The Dresden Files, Castle, etc. Making Watson female just smacks of people being afraid that two men who are close friends and/or share an apartment will instantly be assumed to be gay and have fundementalists up in arms.

On the other hand, I do think it might make an interesting dynamic. So...I don't know. I guess I'll have to wait and see. But...yeah, I'm certain there are female army surgeons. I don't know why you'd take out a perfectly good reason for your character to be able to kick ass. I just don't want her to be there for the specific purpose of providing a love interest for Holmes.

Although considering the kind of female characters we get on BBC Sherlock, it might be nice to see a well-written one for a Sherlock to interact with.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 03:27 am (UTC)
I'm going to hold off judgement until I see this female version of Watson. I don't exactly hold out much hope for her being a well-written female character given that this seems to be one of the hardest tasks facing TV writers. But yeah, given what we get on BBC Sherlock, she might be awesome by comparison.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Polestarguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 03:58 am (UTC)
It is really, really disturbing to picture Lestrade as a female. I mean...well, it's odd. But that could be because I'm picturing the actor who plays Lestrade in the BBC version wearing a dress, and...that image has the potential to scar me emotionally.

I think I can almost picture Sherlock pulling off being female (I don't know why. Perhaps this is just momentary thought), but Watson? Erm. I'm so bothered by this. The whole point of the Sherlock/Watson dynamic is that it breaks the stereotype that says, "men cannot have close friendships without wanting to jump each other."

Which actually leads me to wonder if female!Watson and Sherlock are going to share an apartment, and if so, what kind of questions female!Watson is going to have to answer regarding this. And the whole thing seems so unfair and wrong.

But...yeah, I'm certain there are female army surgeons. I don't know why you'd take out a perfectly good reason for your character to be able to kick ass.

Because any female doctor must be a transplant character type from Grey's Anatomy. UGH, I AM FED UP WITH THIS ALREADY.



Although considering the kind of female characters we get on BBC Sherlock, it might be nice to see a well-written one for a Sherlock to interact with.

I really like Molly. She's a shy character with girly traits who, like anyone, often gets swept over by Sherlock. Yet she still speaks up against him when he tells her to stop speaking, even if it makes her nervous. It's nice to see a sweet character with non-standard ways of being gutsy. *shrugs* I can't hate her, and can't imagine that changing.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC)
I really like Molly. She's a shy character with girly traits who, like anyone, often gets swept over by Sherlock. Yet she still speaks up against him when he tells her to stop speaking, even if it makes her nervous. It's nice to see a sweet character with non-standard ways of being gutsy.

I agree with this...but it only happened in literally the last episode.

Don't get me wrong. I was pleased they finally gave Molly something more to do than just pine after Sherlock but to me it felt slightly too little too late. In all the previous episodes she'd allowed Sherlock to take advantage of her and supposedly continue to simper after him. All of that changed, yes, with the last episode where she finally came into her own but I don't necessarily see her as a "well written" female character purely due to all the abuse she had to endure before we got there.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Polestarguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 04:17 am (UTC)
I find it difficult to not count Molly, simply because it took a while to get her there. I absolutely agree with Moffat being terrible with female character-creation, of course. I think it'd be difficult to argue against that! I mean, look what he did to Irene, for example. And let's not speak of Doctor Who. NEVER SPEAK OF THAT. *crosses arms*

But Molly... Yes, it took way too long, but it did happen. She stood up to Sherlock during the Christmas scene, too. In a very "straw that breaks the camel's back" sort of way, maybe, but it did happen. And I feel like that's how a lot of people gain their strength, instead of just continuing on whatever damaging path they had been on for so long.

I also like that her caring is shown as a strength. Oftentimes, that's not counted as a strength that females have, merely an attribute (often a weak one, sadly). It's nice to see that shown in a positive light.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 04:19 am (UTC)
I guess I'm going by pure numbers. We've had one episode where Molly was more than a Pining Woman so if the series continues to portray her as a complex woman with both caring and strong features, I'll be happy to put her in the Well Written list. But in my cynical mind, the one episode will be a fluke.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Heart+Mindguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 04:24 am (UTC)
Haha, yes....erm. I'm hoping my optimism pays off, rather than punching me in the face later on.

I'm kind of wondering how many years are going to pass between the second series and the third. And what her role is going to be in that. I'd really, really like to know. *fidgets*
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Watson's cute noseawanderingbard on February 17th, 2012 01:31 pm (UTC)
I credit Molly's transformation in the last episode entirely to Steve Thompson, who also gave us the lovely Sarah (who Moffatt then carelessly threw away).

I really like Molly, I've liked her since the beginning but I never liked that her sole purpose on the series seemed to be to show how callous Sherlock can be. Then to have her so badly manipulated by Moriarty and not letting her catch a break, ever. So, I don't even know if it's her so much as a character that I dislike as how she's treated both by the writers and the other characters.

I am really hoping she becomes more of the team next series. If she's in on Sherlock's secret, he'll hopefully start to trust her with more complex tasks than getting him coffee. :D

I've also seen some speculation that since Molly can be a nickname for Mary that she might end up being John's Mary, but I don't know how I feel about that.
The Writer They Call Tay: SHERLOCK: Sherlock shockawanderingbard on February 17th, 2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
It is really, really disturbing to picture Lestrade as a female. I mean...well, it's odd. But that could be because I'm picturing the actor who plays Lestrade in the BBC version wearing a dress, and...that image has the potential to scar me emotionally.

I'm fairly certain Rupert Graves has played some roles where you would not have to imagine it. :p


I think I can almost picture Sherlock pulling off being female (I don't know why. Perhaps this is just momentary thought), but Watson? Erm. I'm so bothered by this. The whole point of the Sherlock/Watson dynamic is that it breaks the stereotype that says, "men cannot have close friendships without wanting to jump each other."


Yes! This bothers me so much! And also that it's possible for two men to love each other without it being in a sexual way.

I can actually see Sherlock as female, too. Maybe because of the whole asexuality thing and his in general being 'outside' humanity, that he's sort of ambiguous? Like I could see very little about his personality having to change if he was a woman. His character doesn't rely on him being a man. Not that John's character necessarily does, but he enjoys more stereotypical 'manly' pursuits, I guess.