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03 February 2015 @ 10:30 pm
Agent Carter: The Iron Ceiling  
FINALLY Peggy Carter gets a legit mission!

My viewing of this episode was fragmented due to the news periodically interrupting to report on a train crash just outside of New York. However, I think I got most of it.


It was really nice to see Peggy finally get some respect for her talents. I loved that Howling Commandos treated her like a good friend and soldier rather than a woman who needed to be protected. I loved Peggy and Dum Dum sharing old jokes and memories. I loved that for once Jack Thompson didn't know which way was up.

So, we got treated to some Thompson backstory in this episode. His character is now revealed to be rather multi-layered. He made a devastating mistake during the war and took the cowardly, self-preservation way out. After he returned home, he was hailed a hero and he's been desperately trying to maintain that image even though it's been a huge strain on him. And apparently maintaining that hero facade means acting like a jackass to women and people with disabilities. So fine. I can sort of accept that part of Thompson's image building is putting up unnecessary bluster by attacking those in weaker positions than him. It actually goes along with his character as someone who would bury the white flag rather than own up to it.

Even with all that, I can believe that he isn't necessary a bad man. Just a flawed one. However, in the hands of Chad Michael Murray, I often see his jackassery way more than the flawed human angle. There's nothing in his acting thus far that made the backstory not feel like a sudden awkward lunge toward making Thompson more sympathetic. But instead of feeling for him and his legitimately tough situation, I found myself recalling all the times he unnecessarily made Peggy and Sousa feel like garbage. Maybe that's just down to acting but I still don't like Thompson, even as I understand him better and his story. I was, however, really glad that he gave Peggy credit for the mission. I half expected him to treat her as usual out of embarrassment for freezing up during the final fight but he turned out to be better than that and even invited Peggy out for a drink. That's progress.

In other news, Sousa has finally figured out who the blonde woman is. He's clearly been stewing on it and I really hope the previews for next week aren't because Sousa did bring the information to Dooley without talking to Peggy first.

Some stray thoughts:

1) Holy crap, the Red Room! And yup, it looks about as awful as I imagined. The part that I found the most distressing because it really spoke to the level of brainwashing these girls have suffered was seeing Dottie handcuff herself to the bed before going to sleep like it's no big thing. That somehow was more awful than seeing her as a young child break the neck of the girl she shared bread with.

2) "Hey, guys? Do you all want to make a quick detour and grab Bucky from the Russians since you're there anyway? No? Sure, sure, what was I thinking? Okay, nevermind." oh god someone help him!

3) Is Dooley being serious about willing to hear Stark's side of things? I've hated him and Thompson for so long, it's hard for me to accept them being decent even when they are.
 
 
 
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 4th, 2015 04:07 am (UTC)
My viewing of this episode was hampered by being on the tail end of a fairly nasty migraine, so I too might have missed some stuff. I tried not to look too much at the screen during the actiony bits (of which there was much) and consequently couldn't sort out which Supporting Commando was which, except for Pinky when he spoke (in an awful British accent, but huzzah for comic book canon). I like more character stuff than actiony stuff, though I am aware that is not the brief for most comic book productions, so this wasn't my fave episode. Also needed Moar Jarvis. But I did like the Commandos being bros with Peggy, and how much fun Peggy was having being action girl again.

But the codebreaker guy really didn't think to translate from Russian on a Russian code? Or was it just that he didn't speak Russian? One of the things I've liked about the show is that they haven't dumbed down everyone else so Peggy can look more competent, but that was a moment of 'really?'.

Is Dooley being serious about willing to hear Stark's side of things? I've hated him and Thompson for so long, it's hard for me to accept them being decent even when they are.

I feel like Dooley is, at heart, not a bad guy. I actually totally got his point of view about not sending Peggy in terms of him being either the guy who got a girl killed or the guy who sent a girl that got people killed. I mean, it's sexist and awful, but I got it. That said, it seems like a very fast about face just because some newspaper guy suggested something. I'm not sure if his offer to Jarvis was sincere, but I do feel like he'd reconsider his opinion if challenged with enough evidence.

Thompson, not so much.

Edited for weird migrainey words.


Edited at 2015-02-04 04:11 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 4th, 2015 04:19 am (UTC)
But the codebreaker guy really didn't think to translate from Russian on a Russian code? Or was it just that he didn't speak Russian?

Yeah, this was weird. Even if the codebreaker couldn't speak Russian, I would think he'd still suggest it and ask that the SSR bring in someone who could to work with him.

I feel like Dooley is, at heart, not a bad guy.

I don't think Dooley and even Thompson are bad people at heart. But I do see them both as people who tend to do what's most natural and comfortable for them, particularly if it gets the job done. Which is why I tend not to really trust them when they're faced with a difficult situation.

I'm sorry to hear about your migraine. :(

Hope you're feeling better!

Edited at 2015-02-04 04:20 am (UTC)
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 4th, 2015 04:29 am (UTC)
I would think he'd still suggest it and ask that the SSR bring in someone who could to work with him.

I'll just pretend they were rushing him and he didn't have time before Peggy got there to try it in Russian. I also got the impression the SSR guys were being blokey and douchey to him and flustering him, because that's what they do.


Hope you're feeling better!


I'm starting to, now. I don't usually get the pain phase when I have a migraine, mine are mostly silent migraines, so whenever I actually get the pain, I never know what to do with myself. Now I just feel like there's cotton stuffed in my forehead, so hopefully by tomorrow all will be well.

I found more pandas doing somersaults, so like isn't all bad.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 4th, 2015 04:45 am (UTC)
Fingers crossed for you that tomorrow is pain free.

It's not pandas doing somersaults, but here is a dog daemon who is pretty happy to be with his children's daemons: http://adulthoodisokay.tumblr.com/post/46386888349/i-cant-deal-with-how-adorable-this-dog-is
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 4th, 2015 04:52 am (UTC)
Awww!

"It's so nice when I get to spend some time with the triplets."

Here's some sibling daemons getting told off by their mother and aunt's daemons.

A daemon really enjoying babysitting.

And this little ballerina's daemon.

Edited at 2015-02-04 04:52 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 4th, 2015 04:54 am (UTC)
All of these are amazing! Although the babysitting one is my favorite.

"I'm so going to charge more next time..."
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 4th, 2015 05:05 am (UTC)
I feel like that is the very stoic daemon of a British nanny looking after two rambunctious American children.

"Young misses, I would remind you that my antlers are not jungle gyms. Get down and practice your maths."
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 03:55 am (UTC)
I imagine that that's Shess on the right, freaking out because pre-serum Issie and Steve are doing something incredibly heroic and stupid.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 04:01 am (UTC)
Hahaha! "No! No, Issie. Oh, that's gonna hurt. Damnit!"

Shess out on the town.

Also, for some reason, this makes me think of baby!Shess and Issie playing.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 04:08 am (UTC)
Aww! Baby!Shess and Issie are adorable!

Also, how did the bear in the cab thing even happen? I mean...WHAT HAPPENED??
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 04:17 am (UTC)
I don't know, but I'm about 99% sure that that bear is the cab driver's daemon. That's my explanation for it.

My image of Steve and Issie squished over on the other side of the seat is adorable though.

Issie: It's a good thing we're friends or this would be awkward.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 04:20 am (UTC)
Shess: Bet you're happy you're pretty small now, huh?
Issie: Or you could be smaller!

Shess being a bear and thus kind of big is one thing that makes writing action-y scenes a bit difficult. I keep imaging her charging through and sort of dragging Bucky behind her. At least when it's time for bed, she's super comfortable to lean against.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 04:30 am (UTC)
Shess: Bet you're happy you're pretty small now, huh?
Issie: Or you could be smaller!


I have an image of when Bucky is still getting used to big!Steve, and Issie is trying to get Shess to talk, and Shess just sort of blurts out 'we can't share cabs now'. And Issie gets the giggles about it and the ice is broken.

I keep imaging her charging through and sort of dragging Bucky behind her. At least when it's time for bed, she's super comfortable to lean against.

Maybe he could ride her into battle, a la Lyra and Iorek.

I always have trouble assigning big daemons for that reason. I mean, sometimes it fits the character, but then I think about do you sleep if you have a moose daemon? How do you go to school? Where do you sit at restaurants? But I kind of like action scenes and deciding how each animal would fight or not fight or support their human in a fight or action-y situation.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 04:39 am (UTC)
Maybe he could ride her into battle, a la Lyra and Iorek.

I don't know why this image makes me laugh. It might be because I'm imagining the studios making a daemon-verse Captain America film and trying to figure out if they should go with a CGI bear or somehow get Sebastian Stan on a live bear without it ending in a bloodbath. Either way, I'd totally watch the behind the scenes featurette for this completely non-existent movie.

How do you go to school? Where do you sit at restaurants?

Yeah, I also always wondered about this. What about when you board planes or even trains? If you have a giraffe daemon, how can sit in public transport?
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 04:50 am (UTC)
It might be because I'm imagining the studios making a daemon-verse Captain America film and trying to figure out if they should go with a CGI bear or somehow get Sebastian Stan on a live bear without it ending in a bloodbath.

My brain picked out random words from this my first time reading through and somehow come up with notion that you were deciding between a live action bear and Sebastian Stan mo-capping being a bear. Which is possibly an even better behind the scenes featurette.

Yeah, I also always wondered about this.

I've had to make up a few things on the fly for stories, if just in my head. I decided that at theatres, if you have a big daemon, you have to ask for two seats (but you aren't charged for both), and if it's a really big daemon, you're put on the end or near the back so it can hang out in the aisle or free space.

But otherwise, I can only assume everything is taller and bigger to accommodate, and maybe there are special train and subway cars with more room for larger daemons, etc. And possible if you're a person who's going to be living in a place where you'll be confined to small space, your daemon settles to reflect that a little. Farmers probably have more horse daemons than city-dwellers, for example.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 04:55 am (UTC)
deciding between a live action bear and Sebastian Stan mo-capping being a bear. Which is possibly an even better behind the scenes featurette.

Yup, it just got better.

EDITED to say: Actually, having the actors mo-cap their daemon animals would be like the best or worst bonding exercise for the cast. I can see Chris Evans get into pretending to be a dog. Especially a small dog.

Edited at 2015-02-05 04:57 am (UTC)
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 05:02 am (UTC)
Better yet, Sebastian Stan pretending to be a bear while Chris Evans pretends to be a small dog, and Dominic Cooper scampers around as a raccoon.

I'm just recalling Benedict Cumberbatch pretending to be a dragon when he didn't have to. Some actors would totally be on board with your idea.

Weirdness aside, mo-capping the actors faces for the CGI daemons wouldn't be a bad way to go, as they would reflect their humans faces and expressions.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 05:12 am (UTC)
Better yet, Sebastian Stan pretending to be a bear while Chris Evans pretends to be a small dog, and Dominic Cooper scampers around as a raccoon.

I'm just recalling Benedict Cumberbatch pretending to be a dragon when he didn't have to.


I have this image now of the actors running around pretending to be a bear, dog, and raccoon when the director sticks his head in the room. "Guys, this so isn't necessary. I wasn't being serious. Uh. You can stop now if you want. No? Okay, I'll just wait over there until you're done."
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 05:22 am (UTC)
And Tom Hiddleston, who's pretending to be a caracal for the Thor production next door, is really sad because he's spent a long time practising being a caracal and read some poetry about caracals and went to a caracal sanctuary, and now he won't be able to be a caracal.

I think read somewhere or heard somewhere the Benedict wasn't actually asked to do the motion capture for Smaug, but he was basically like 'I don't care, I'm doing it anyway, I've wanted to be a dragon since I was four, I am being a dragon'. And so they let him.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 05:27 am (UTC)
Hiddleston would totally sneak in some caracal acting though somewhere. Even if it's just a very caracal-like nod.

'I don't care, I'm doing it anyway, I've wanted to be a dragon since I was four, I am being a dragon'.

I imagine the camera crew being like, "Guess we're filming this."

I like this idea of actors just going with their desire to be animals, even as the director and producers are telling them to stop.

"Seriously, Chris, you're not going to fit under that chair. Stop. Dominic, don't climb the shelves it's not going to hold your- Are you seriously trying to claw up that tree right now, Sebastian?!
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 05:34 am (UTC)
I imagine the camera crew being like, "Guess we're filming this."

This seems appropriate right now.


"Seriously, Chris, you're not going to fit under that chair. Stop. Dominic, don't climb the shelves it's not going to hold your- Are you seriously trying to claw up that tree right now, Sebastian?!


Seeing what I have seen on her Twitter, I'm guessing Hayley Atwell would be completely on board with being a hyena and entirely failing to control the boys.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 5th, 2015 05:36 am (UTC)
Hahaha!

"You can't fly around the set forever."
"YES I CAN."

I very much enjoy watching Hayley Atwell and James D'Arcy mess about on set as documented via Twitter. The cast of Agent Carter would totally be up for a Be An Animal exercise.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 5th, 2015 05:47 am (UTC)
I can totally see James D'arcy pretending to be a Welsh Springer Spaniel, actually.

Vaguely related, I went to see how old he was the other day, and when the hell did he get to be 41-years-old? My inner 16-year old, Master and Commander loving self could not comprehend Mr Pulling being 41-years old.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 7th, 2015 09:17 pm (UTC)
I found a sleeping baby!Mim. Okay, bye!
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 7th, 2015 11:27 pm (UTC)
Awww! I feel like this is when Tony is only a couple of weeks old, and Howard is taking his first go at watching him.

Dejeni: Does she need more padding? What if she rolls? Maybe you should put another pillow there. Oh my God, she's moving...no, false alarm it's okay. Aww. She's cu--she's moving again!

This is what I accomplished today.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 8th, 2015 09:17 pm (UTC)
This is what I accomplished today.

Maybe I'm just projecting but I always feel like you find the perfect images where the animal and the actor have similar expressions or stances.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 8th, 2015 09:39 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

A lot of it is luck for what I can find and I sometimes go through a bunch before I find one that works, and as I'm getting more familiar with paint shop, I can manipulate a little more. Lev's head has been tilted forward and the direction his eye is looking has been moved. I oddly find tiliting heads suddenly makes the daemon look like a daemon and not an animal, which is weird. It's fun and I like teaching myself the skills.

I'd like to do Peggy and Howard next, but Dejeni is being hard to find. I'm assuming she'd rather be working than appearing in this artwork.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 8th, 2015 11:01 pm (UTC)
I'd like to do Peggy and Howard next, but Dejeni is being hard to find. I'm assuming she'd rather be working than appearing in this artwork.

That's probably right. She forced her way into one of my fics and is now being difficult because the fic isn't just about her and Howard building things.

On a random note, someone on Tumblr pointed out that when Howard shows off his camera pen to Peggy, he takes a photo of the two of them which makes him the inventor of the selfie. Of course. OF COURSE.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 8th, 2015 11:30 pm (UTC)

That's probably right. She forced her way into one of my fics and is now being difficult because the fic isn't just about her and Howard building things.


Yeah, Mim in my last fic was basically all 'why are you sad? There are things to build! If you build things, you'll feel better.'


On a random note, someone on Tumblr pointed out that when Howard shows off his camera pen to Peggy, he takes a photo of the two of them which makes him the inventor of the selfie. Of course. OF COURSE.


Hee! That's the first thing I thought of when I saw him do it, actually. He'd have had a blast if instagram and Twitter were around back then.

#flyingcarsarethefuture

@lana_turner ;-)

#sorrypeggy

@jarvisresidence be home late tonight #savemesomegoulash

ETA: Dejeni decided to cooperate tonight, a little. Howard and Peggy. I wasn't quite sure about the sizes, but that's how they looked the best together, I ran with it.


Edited at 2015-02-09 04:39 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 9th, 2015 06:08 am (UTC)
Awww! I love that photo! I like how Dejeni is sort of patting Takeo's snout as a mimic of Howard and Peggy hugging one another.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 9th, 2015 03:08 pm (UTC)
Finding a raccoon that could interact with the hyena was the hardest part, but I finally found one that was holding something it was eating, which worked. Raccoon are one of those species that totally know when they're being photographed, so side angles are harder to find.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 9th, 2015 06:41 pm (UTC)
Raccoon are one of those species that totally know when they're being photographed, so side angles are harder to find.

Wow, raccoons are sounding more and more like Howard everyday!
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 9th, 2015 07:15 pm (UTC)
I was thinking that as I wrote it, and picturing Dejeni posing on the red carpet with Howard, putting her best angles forward.

Daily Otter.

aelfgyfu_mead: Winter Soldieraelfgyfu_mead on February 6th, 2015 10:54 pm (UTC)
Sebastian Stan pretending to be a bear while Chris Evans pretends to be a small dog, and Dominic Cooper scampers around as a raccoon
I can so see them all getting into this!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 7th, 2015 12:26 am (UTC)
I can so see them all getting into this!

I'm amusing myself with images of the actors crawling all over the set, pretending to be animals while wearing their character's costumes.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on February 7th, 2015 11:29 pm (UTC)
I later had the image of Robert Downey Jr. as a hyperactive tailorbird and it made me very happy.
X-parrotxparrot on February 4th, 2015 08:35 am (UTC)
I felt the same way about Thompson - that his backstory could be humanizing but I still don't really care about him except in that I'm glad to see Peggy getting some recognition. He's an obstacle for her to surmount, not really a character. He's a pretty satisfying obstacle, though!

I don't know this part of comics canon, but is the Red Room where Natasha was trained? Because as soon as we saw the girls being trained in the beginning that's what I thought of...
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 4th, 2015 11:11 pm (UTC)
I don't know this part of comics canon, but is the Red Room where Natasha was trained? Because as soon as we saw the girls being trained in the beginning that's what I thought of...

One of the comic origins story for Natasha has her be trained via the Red Room as a young orphaned girl. And yes, while the timeline is too early, I was half expecting to see kid!Natasha in those early scenes.
aelfgyfu_mead: Peggy Carteraelfgyfu_mead on February 6th, 2015 10:58 pm (UTC)
I've become a lot more sympathetic to Thompson and Dooley—I want them not to die now! Getting Thompson's back story worked for me, but then, I don't think I'm familiar with the actor, which may help. It was clear from his reluctance to tell his story that something was badly wrong, and I think everyone knew without pressing. That to me made even more sense of his terrible treatment of Sousa and Peggy: they are real heroes and he's supposed to be one, and just seeing them reminds him of his shame all the time. Nobody treats Peggy like a hero, but they all know what she was part of, at least.

The Red Room scenes were very effective—they gave us enough to be quite chilling, and Dottie handcuffing herself to the bed at the end showed how terribly ruined she is, in case we were in any doubt.

I think Dooley is serious. I think he has begun to fear that they're being played, and he may not like Stark at all, but he doesn't want to be played. He wants to do his job well.

Peggy was just winning all over the place this episode. Translating without waiting for permission (and then telling them all to be quiet), calling up her old friends, getting command of the mission without seizing command just because of the confidence the Commandos have in her—how can we have so few episodes left?

HULK WANT MOAR!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 7th, 2015 12:29 am (UTC)
how can we have so few episodes left?

I really hope that this show gets another season. I know it's being marketed as a miniseries right now but there's certainly enough material to give us a full season of at least 13 episodes in the future. We know Peggy lives a long life and has to create SHIELD with Howard and Phillips. I'd like to see that.

The only thing about Agent Carter is that periodically as I watch Peggy kicking ass both literally and figuratively, I'm reminded of her eventual medical fate as seen in Captain America 2 and then I get all sad.