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22 July 2014 @ 08:36 pm
Captain America Random Ramble is Random  
Wherein I just ramble a bit about the characters in the Captain America films.


I was perusing Tumblr today and this showed up on dash. For whatever reason, this gif set pleased me a lot. It's funny. I hate Zola but I also love him. I find him interesting to watch and really enjoyed Toby Jones' take on the character. To me, Zola is like the Howard Stark of Hydra. He believes in the company's mission statement but at the core he feels like a scientist/engineer who loves the work above and beyond what the work is used for. That sort of single-minded dedication to the work rather than the mission is what probably helped him sell his cover to infiltrate SHIELD. As much as I wanted Steve to pummel his face into the floor, I'm bizarrely pleased that what ultimately got Zola was his own body breaking down rather than a person killing him.

And then I also saw this gif set on my dash. Anthony Mackie is right. Sam felt like a real, substantial character rather than a plot-convenient side kick for Steve. I'm also really happy that Sam of the comics will be taking on the Captain America mantle. I know that probably won't be the case for the films since as far as I know, Mackie is not contracted with Marvel while Sebastian Stan has a 9 picture deal (Jesus, NINE?!). In theory, I really like the idea of the comics making Sam Captain America. But for the films given what we know about Sam, a part of me just wants him staying a civilian and just counseling other vets because he's so good at it. He found his second calling! Stay a counselor, Sam. You're wonderful at it!

In less serious news, this fanart made me smile a lot (credit: ninomiy @ tumblr):
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I'm so amused at the idea that Bucky put on the full Winter Soldier mask to light that bonfire of a birthday cake.
 
 
 
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 01:04 am (UTC)
I'm so amused at the idea that Bucky put on the full Winter Soldier mask to light that bonfire of a birthday cake.

To be fair, Steve does need a truck load of candles. Safety first!

I don't know much about Falcon, but a black Captain America is pretty cool. Not entirely sure about the female Thor (couldn't they just have made another character who is a woman?), but I've always liked the idea of titles being passed down in the Marvel verse. Except that the original people always seem to decide they want them back again, in the end.

I think it would be cool to think that the next generation might seen an older Chris Evans counselling a new, younger Cap in future films.

Edited at 2014-07-23 01:05 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 01:16 am (UTC)
Safety first!

Maybe this is what amuses me. The Winter Soldier might do some seriously crazy dangerous stuff when killing but he's Mr. Safety when it comes to birthday cake.

Not entirely sure about the female Thor (couldn't they just have made another character who is a woman?)

I'm less happy about this one. I like the idea of Captain American being a title that gets passed on. But having a gender change for a character feels a little more problematic. They've already done a female!Loki and I don't know. I'd rather see a new female character who has her own personality versus changing a male character to female and not changing anything else.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 02:25 am (UTC)
The Winter Soldier might do some seriously crazy dangerous stuff when killing but he's Mr. Safety when it comes to birthday cake.

Obviously he's worked hard on that pie and doesn't want to die before knowing the satisfaction of Steve eating it and enjoying it. He missed a bunch of birthdays, so he's going to celebrate the hell out of this one.

I'd rather see a new female character who has her own personality versus changing a male character to female and not changing anything else.

There seems to be some conflicting statements about whether they are taking the original Thor and Rule 63'd him, or whether it's a title that is being passed to a female who has been deemed worthy of using Thor's hammer, and is therefore Thor because she has the hammer.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 02:31 am (UTC)
It's a good thing Steve has his shield. He might need it while trying to blow out the 95 candles or however many there are.

There seems to be some conflicting statements about whether they are taking the original Thor and Rule 63'd him, or whether it's a title that is being passed to a female who has been deemed worthy of using Thor's hammer, and is therefore Thor because she has the hammer.

Hmmm...yeah, this is an important distinction. If it's just Rule 63 then I don't really care.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 02:42 am (UTC)
He might need it while trying to blow out the 95 candles or however many there are.

I think he was born in 1918, so he'd have turned 96 on July 4th of this year.

Hmmm...yeah, this is an important distinction. If it's just Rule 63 then I don't really care.

My impression is that Thor has somehow lost his worthiness and this person is being him until he worthies up again, or something. It's just such an odd thing to do. Like an ostensibly feminist thing to do, while also being kind of sexist. And she has boob-shaped armour, and I just hate that trope. It looks uncomfortable.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 02:45 am (UTC)
I feel there needs to be fanart of Bucky methodically putting all 96 candles on that pie with a growing box of tiny candle boxes behind him.

My impression is that Thor has somehow lost his worthiness and this person is being him until he worthies up again, or something. It's just such an odd thing to do. Like an ostensibly feminist thing to do, while also being kind of sexist.

So she's like a...bookmark? Hm.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 02:53 am (UTC)

I feel there needs to be fanart of Bucky methodically putting all 96 candles on that pie with a growing box of tiny candle boxes behind him.


JARVIS: Sir, I feel it's wise to point out that if you ignite those candles, you will be releasing 101 285.362 joules, and therefore could boil approximately 11.09 ounces of water.
Bucky: I'll wear a mask.
JARVIS: Very good, sir.

So she's like a...bookmark? Hm.

I dunno, I'm just going on a discussion that was on LJ earlier today. A lot of superheros take time off and then come back and replace their replacements. Hawkeye had a girl take over for him, and then he took back over and she took on a different name. I'm not up on my comics, in general. Maybe Thor just wants a vacation.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 02:56 am (UTC)
JARVIS works for Tony. A fire hazard just means it's either Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays, or Thursday.

Maybe Thor just wants a vacation.

Where do Asgardians go on vacation? Or is it more a staycation for Thor?
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 03:00 am (UTC)
A fire hazard just means it's either Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays, or Thursday.

It's nice that he gets the weekends off.


Where do Asgardians go on vacation? Or is it more a staycation for Thor?


I dunno. I was looking at the other realms, and except for Vanaheim, they all seem like sort of crappy places. Maybe he goes goes to Disneyland.
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aelfgyfu_mead: Natashaaelfgyfu_mead on July 23rd, 2014 05:59 pm (UTC)
boob-shaped armour, and I just hate that trope
YES.
aelfgyfu_mead: Falconaelfgyfu_mead on July 23rd, 2014 05:58 pm (UTC)
I just read somewhere that Falcon, debuting in 1969, was the first truly successful African-American superhero (not counting at least one black superhero who was actually African). I was stunned. 1969 seems a bit late!

Better late than never, though. Film Falcon is awesome. I haven't gotten into his comics yet; I'm having enough trouble just getting Winter Soldier! But I love Anthony Mackie's portrayal and hope we see a lot more of him. Do we know for how many films AM contracted?

The nine film deal with Sebastian Stan kind of blows my mind too. Did each side do the math on how old SS will be when he finally finishes the ninth movie? He said in an interview that he did some of his stunt work, but no, they didn't let him anywhere near a car flipping over; he said they filmed that scene his first day, and there was no insurance company on earth that would let him in that scene his first day of filming. With nine movies, seven of those still in the future,* they should not let him near anything dangerous for, oh, about two decades, assuming production at a pretty fast clip.

I love that image—the full gear to light the cake, and the look on poor Steve's face. Steve knows if he doesn't blow them all out on the first try, he's never going to hear the end of it!


* Unless he's in Ultron, in which case six are in the future and one is now-ish.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 06:12 pm (UTC)
Do we know for how many films AM contracted?

I was totally wrong about what I said earlier. Anthony Mackie has been given a standard contract with Marvel which is six films according to Google. I guess this does mean the door is open for either him or SS to take over for Captain America. Or if AM's Falcon becomes popular enough for him to have his own film (which is kind of what I'd rather have).

Did each side do the math on how old SS will be when he finally finishes the ninth movie?

I really hope those nine films also includes brief appearances because nine films in a starring role means about 20 years of your life will be taken over by one franchise. Sebastian Stan will nearing 50 when the last film is completed. Unless the heads of Marvel have their own cryo freeze tank, I'm pretty sure this isn't going to work.

Chris Evans had a cameo in Thor 2 which I'm pretty sure doesn't count as part of his 6 film contract. But in order to fulfill 9 films I think you sort of have to include cameos which is why I'm guessing SS will appear in Ultron.

Steve knows if he doesn't blow them all out on the first try, he's never going to hear the end of it!

Everything is an endurance challenge now with Bucky.
aelfgyfu_mead: Winter Soldieraelfgyfu_mead on July 23rd, 2014 07:24 pm (UTC)
Anthony Mackie has been given a standard contract with Marvel which is six films according to Google
YAY!

That's what I figured for Sebastian Stan! Although 50 looks a lot better than it used to, as I'm nearing it myself. But SS was about 28 when he filmed CA:TFA. I think about myself at 28, and I think of myself now, and I think of myself in a few more years. I'm not working at the same institution I was at 28, and I'm very glad; I expect I'll be in the same place a few years from now, but one never knows. I've had a child, which was life-changing, as trite as it sounds). And a whole lot of body parts don't work as well as they used to (although some of that is due to having a child, and SS doesn't have to worry about that in the same way). Robert Downey Jr. had to change what he did in IM3: the armor was too darned heavy to wear much, so they mostly put it in by CGI. (Of course, I hope Sebastian Stan doesn't have anything like the substance abuse problems that RDJ has had, which might have caused the latter to age a little more than he otherwise would have done.)

Marvel has said that Ruffalo's brief appearance in IM3 and Evans's in Thor 2 don't count towards their six.

Everything is an endurance challenge now with Bucky.
Probably always was; how long has he been friends with Captain Stubborn?
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 07:36 pm (UTC)
I'm sure every actor who took Marvel's deal did their own mental calculations (I hope) about what they want out of their careers. Chris Evans was offered a 9 film deal and negotiated it down to 6 because he knew he didn't want to be Captain America for 20 years. Which I can understand. It's not just playing the same character but having to do the press tours which for Marvel movies sound very particular. Personally the idea that your career is now obligated to be on a specific path for 2 decades feels a little scary.

I'm sure even for actors who sign up with Marvel for a multi-picture deal there is still room left in their schedules to do other things (even if Chris Evans seemed to not believe this). I'm not an actor so I can't weigh in on job security vs. pigeonholing. But I was a little surprised that actors would be willing to commit 2 decades to one role. Particularly one that will require you to be in a certain physical condition. I'm sure SS will look fine in his 50s and hopefully he'll feel fine rather than constantly exhausted.

Probably always was; how long has he been friends with Captain Stubborn?

MCU's Bucky being the oldest sibling probably helped manage this. I feel like pre-serum Steve probably made a lot of bad decisions and Bucky alternated between letting Steve be who he is and facing the consequences of said bad decisions while also making sure it didn't get too bad.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 08:03 pm (UTC)
But I was a little surprised that actors would be willing to commit 2 decades to one role.

I'm guessing that the more popular the franchise gets, the more crossover between movies there will be. ScarJo did Iron Man, Avengers, and Cap movies, so that's four done for her already, counting Avengers 2, with substantial parts in each. And that's only four years. Keeping in mind there may be new superheros joining that could be crossed-over as well. Ant-Man is on his way, and Doctor Strange. I don't know if any of the 'Marvel Short' films count, either.

Which I can understand. It's not just playing the same character but having to do the press tours which for Marvel movies sound very particular.

The press tours I have no idea how they get through. Tom Hiddleston was all over Asia for Thor 2, and the Avengers went everywhere. It must be exhausting, and boring as well with all the same, inane questions being asked. Or the weirdness you endure when trying to do a chat show in a country where you don't speak the language and their idea of humour is completely different from what you're used to.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 08:09 pm (UTC)
The press tours I have no idea how they get through.

They seem draining all around but particularly awful if you're a woman or in this case, just Scarlett Johanssen. There's some gif somewhere of an interviewer asking Chris Evans in a joint interview with her what part of her body Evans found most attractive. Double sleaze points to the interview for utilizing objectification plus acting like ScarJo isn't SITTING RIGHT THERE.

Points to ScarJo for flat out saying, "Ew!" to that query and for Evans with his deadpan answer of "Her elbows. Sexiest elbows ever."
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Points to ScarJo for flat out saying, "Ew!" to that query and for Evans with his deadpan answer of "Her elbows. Sexiest elbows ever."

That's because Mrs Evans raised her boy to a gentleman, dammnit.

During the Avengers tour, they repeatedly kept asking her if she wore underwear under her catsuit. There's a hilarious gifset of someone asking her about her diet, and Jeremy Renner just gets this look on his face of 'oh, you're in for it now, she don't like those questions'.

I cannot get over how people think they can talk to female celebrities because they are celebrities. Any of these questions would constitute harassment in a workplace, and this is a workplace--you and her are both at work, this is your job--but it's okay because they're a celebrity and 'signed up for it'. Ask something interesting.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 08:28 pm (UTC)
There's been some arguments of late that with Marvel, the men get objectified as much as women. I don't disagree that the men are getting lusted after just as much for how they look. However, I don't think the mentality behind men being lusted after and women being lusted after are the same. One feels more like admiration and the other feels more like ownership. This has been a social commentary interruption. We now return you to your regularly scheduled commenting.

Jeremy Renner just gets this look on his face of 'oh, you're in for it now, she don't like those questions'.

Jeremy Renner has been the star of some great gifs. His face is expressive in such unexpected moments.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 23rd, 2014 08:33 pm (UTC)
One feels more like admiration and the other feels more like ownership.

Yes! And one feels like being hit on and the other feels like a compliment.

I really feel there should be an interview at the beginning of the tour, when they ask the questions every one is going to ask ('how did you approach this role?' 'what was it like working with ___?' 'did you do your own stunts?'), and the actors answer, and anyone writing an article can quote from it. Then the only direct interview questions would have to be thoughtful and unique. And the whole thing would take less time.

Take a lesson from Josh Horowitz, everyone!

Jeremy Renner has been the star of some great gifs. His face is expressive in such unexpected moments.

There needs to be more Hawkeye in the word. I enjoy Hawkeye. I want Hawkware and Black Widow movie.
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aelfgyfu_mead: Claymation Sam Tyleraelfgyfu_mead on July 23rd, 2014 09:01 pm (UTC)
pre-serum Steve probably made a lot of bad decisions
Oh, yeah—including taking the serum. Post-serum Steve has no doubt made some doozies too. I actually think just lying there on the helicarrier and refusing to do anything to defend himself was not one of his best decisions ever.

I wonder how many actors got offered nine movies and went with six instead, and if SS is going, "Crud—I thought everybody was doing nine!"?

Chris Evans has managed to do rather a lot between Marvel movies, according to the IMDb—I'm surprised at how much. Sebastian Stan has not been taking it easy, either—but I am perplexed at this entry Labyrinth: John Hurt! Tom Felton (Draco Malfoy)! Jessica Brown Findlay (Lady Sybil on Downton Abbey)! It says it ran in the US in May, two episodes. How did I never hear of this? And, perhaps more to the point, can I get it on Netflix? From the Wikipedia entry, it appears to be a mini. Hm. This requires more research!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 11:14 pm (UTC)
I actually think just lying there on the helicarrier and refusing to do anything to defend himself was not one of his best decisions ever.

I echo Sam H's sentiment on her Hey Don't Judge Me recap of the film: Steve should have knocked him out and dragged him home to give him some soup.

I wonder how many actors got offered nine movies and went with six instead, and if SS is going, "Crud—I thought everybody was doing nine!"?

So I did more googling. It looks like the only other one to take a 9 film deal was Samuel L. Jackson. Also, the articles state that SS signed the deal after he got cast in the 2nd Captain America movie. Does this mean the first Captain America movie isn't part of the 9 films? Or are the dates just purposefully fudged and SS just kept quiet about returning to Marvel until Cap 2 came out? Hm..I'll have to ask my friend's sister. She's about to get a PhD in Marvel Films with a special concentration in Sebastian Stan.

Chris Evans has managed to do rather a lot between Marvel movies,

From what I've read, it seemed like Evans was more discontented with the roles he was being offered post-Marvel. And that he couldn't really commit to doing larger roles in other films in between. I think Snowpiercer is the only film where he had a sizable role.

The director of that film did a funny interview where he said half the challenge was in trying to hide the kind of physical shape Evans was in thanks to the Marvel movies since Snowpiercer takes place in a dystopian future where everyone is starved and haggard. He said the solution was to cut the sleeves off the sweaters Evans wore under his coat. "You think his arms look bulky because he's wearing sweaters but nope. It's just his arms."

The novel Labyrinth has been on my shelf since it's hardcover days. I still haven't read it. I'd heard about them adapting it but I kept putting off watching until I'd read the book. John Hurt is in everything!
aelfgyfu_mead: Natashaaelfgyfu_mead on July 23rd, 2014 11:47 pm (UTC)
Oh, I should have thought of Samuel L. Jackson! He has to be in all the movies, so that makes sense—his will be done sooner than SS's, presumably, because SS isn't in Iron Man movies, for instance. I can hardly believe that SS signed a nine-movie deal that did not include the first movie, because ten has got to be at the "kill me now" level. What did they offer him? Or was it blackmail?

I hadn't checked the size of the roles CE got after the movies started. I cannot imagine making him look skinny! I hope he gets to do some stuff he likes better, too. I know he was reluctant to take the role at all, but I'm glad he didn't pull a Christopher Eccleston on it. (When Christopher Eccleston supposedly left DW after one season because he didn't want to be typecast and followed it up with GI Joe, The Borrowers, and of course Loki: The Dark World, I held my tongue. But we finished watching New Who s1, Daughter asked, "Why did he leave after just one season? Is he maybe kind of a jerk?" I howled. I don't know if Eccleston has just not had better offers, or what. I try not to judge [but sometimes it's hard]).

Of course, I've just now realized that Chris Evans and Christopher Eccleston have the same initials.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 23rd, 2014 11:56 pm (UTC)
What did they offer him? Or was it blackmail?

Maybe they wrote in something conditional to his original contract saying if they decided to go ahead with the Winter Soldier storyline, he would be offered a 9 picture contract that would include the first Cap film. Because yeah, ten movies is ridiculous.

Maybe they also offered him the chance to never have to make a terrible film again. But then he is going to be in another comedy that sound suspiciously like in the vein of Hot Tub Time Machine so I don't know. I don't know how actors chose their projects or what magical combination makes them say yes to some things and no to others.

I howled. I don't know if Eccleston has just not had better offers, or what. I try not to judge [but sometimes it's hard]).

Yeeaaahhh....the Eccleston thing was a bit odd. He seemed in general kind of unhappy during the DW years that maybe wasn't directly related to his career but just his...life. Or something. Either way I try not to judge his career choices but his role in Thor 2 was a difficult one to power through.
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ericadawn16: Sadericadawn16 on August 4th, 2014 01:24 am (UTC)
I caught Labyrinth on my local CW channel and it was BAD!

I think it's four episodes but they showed it as two hours over two nights.
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on August 4th, 2014 01:00 am (UTC)
The way I understand it, they always say films but it's actually appearances, like when Nick Fury shows up on Agents of SHIELD or when Chris Evans was in Thor: The Dark World.