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02 July 2014 @ 01:21 pm
American Gods - It's Happening Again  
Man, Neil Gaiman has the WORST luck with his book adaptations. But maybe things are turning around a bit. After getting shelved, American Gods is back on the TV adaptation table. And it's being adapted by Bryan Fuller and Michael Green! Fuller, is the showrunner for Hannibal and his involvement would get me excited enough. But Green is the mind behind Heroes and Kings, which has recently re-entered pop culture discourse thanks to Cap 2. I had just pointed out that Kings was the last good inventive show from NBC before Hannibal so I am ALL about this showrunner pairing.

Fuller and Green's aesthetics could be amazing together and work well with Gaiman's novel. Both Hannibal and Kings really tread a fine line between reality and surreal/mysticism without falling over into complete over-pretension territory which I think is the kind of balance you'll need for a story like American Gods. Fuller and Green are also both really good at handling large myth-like story arcs (I'll ignore for a moment that Heroes ultimately became terrible) at least long enough to churn out what I hope will be a limited miniseries. But as the article noted, Fuller's involvement does bring into question if he could do this and still work full time on Hannibal. To this I say I hope then Green does most of the heavy lifting because no way do I want to see a sacrifice in the quality of Hannibal.

Fingers crossed this project makes it to the end. Time to start mentally casting actors for roles because that's always a fun game!
 
 
 
aelfgyfu_mead: sketchaelfgyfu_mead on July 2nd, 2014 07:50 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid to look. I loved Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies but wasn't pleased at plans I heard for what we would have seen later in those shows if they hadn't been canceled. I quit Heroes early in the second season and don't have the stomach for Hannibal. So I have very mixed feelings about Bryan Fuller. All I know of Michael Green is Heroes, which I thought went from exciting and promising to terrible in a surprisingly short time.

Of course, I've also seen Gaiman's own adaptation of Beowulf, which he co-wrote with Roger Avary (and "Anonymous," according to the IMDb, so the original poet gets something like credit). Part of me thinks that perhaps Gaiman deserves some bad adaptations, though I haven't seen any of his books adapted to film.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 2nd, 2014 07:54 pm (UTC)
I quit Heroes early in the second season and don't have the stomach for Hannibal. So I have very mixed feelings about Bryan Fuller. All I know of Michael Green is Heroes, which I thought went from exciting and promising to terrible in a surprisingly short time.

I think the key here is the time frame which is why I hope for a miniseries or a limited show run for American Gods. Both Fuller and Green do well in a short period of time at the very least. The content of Hannibal definitely isn't for everyone but I think the look of it combined with the look Green gives his shows (I'm just going on Heroes and Kings) can be good for this adaptation.

Of course, I've also seen Gaiman's own adaptation of Beowulf, which he co-wrote with Roger Avary (and "Anonymous," according to the IMDb, so the original poet gets something like credit).

It might have been better had the original poet remained completely uncredited given that adaptation.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 01:42 am (UTC)
I never made it through American Gods, I don't remember why. Maybe just a little too dark or weird for my tastes. I go through waves of what I can handle and what I can't, and I might have been in a 'nope!' phase at the time. I preferred Anansi Boys, which I think is in the same universe-ish.

Also, I want Good Omens, still. I don't know why people aren't on that. Asa Butterfield is too old for Adam now. I'll have to fancast another small, intense actor. I see a lot of Hiddleston/Cumberbatch castings for Aziraphale and Crowley, and part of me goes 'yes!' and part of me goes 'really?'.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 01:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, I do want to know where the Good Omens adaptation is. I would have thought this would almost be the easier story to put on screen.

I see a lot of Hiddleston/Cumberbatch castings for Aziraphale and Crowley, and part of me goes 'yes!' and part of me goes 'really?'.

I can maybe see Cumberbatch as Aziraphale. Hiddleston is too tall for me as Crowley and doesn't quite look like an Aziraphale to me.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 02:01 am (UTC)
I can maybe see Cumberbatch as Aziraphale. Hiddleston is too tall for me as Crowley and doesn't quite look like an Aziraphale to me.

I can see Hiddleston being sweet and hapless enough for Aziraphale, but he's too good looking for my mental image. I picture someone with a bit of a stomach, and more like a hipster granddad. I could see Cumberbatch-in-Martin-Crieff mode working.

I just don't know if there's anyone out there that I think could be Crowley. He's just too cool to actually exist, and I have a very vivid image of him. I've never come across anyone I could see working for him. I know Johnny Depp was rumoured back the day, and he's about physically what I would picture, but too droll, I think.

Maybe it needs to be animated. Then we'd just need voices.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 02:08 am (UTC)
I just don't know if there's anyone out there that I think could be Crowley. He's just too cool to actually exist, and I have a very vivid image of him.

Yeah, it's weird that I have a really vivid picture of Crowley in mind but there's no actor who translates into that picture.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 02:18 am (UTC)
I think I need a sort of Tim Roth-type, who is short and slouchy, but not attractive or dark enough, and too old now. But someone who has that tendency to slouch and come at you at a snakey angle.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 02:22 am (UTC)
Yes! The Crowley of my mind is totally slouchy despite the crisp clear lines of his dark suit.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 02:33 am (UTC)
I think it's because I have this cover on my version, but Crowley is always hunched into his coat with a fag in his mouth in my mental image of him.

So, I guess this Hiddleston isn't miles off.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 03:51 am (UTC)
Hiddleston certainly has the cheekbones. His voice feels wrong though for me.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 03:55 am (UTC)
It's too much of a purr. He needs a hiss.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 03:56 am (UTC)
Hahaha! I'm imagining the director giving this bit of coaching. "Less cat, Tom. More snake. I want to hear snake!"
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 03:58 am (UTC)
And then Tom goes and read some Shakespeare passages about snakes, and practices being a snake at home, and analyzes the etymology of the word snake, and goes to a zoo and watches snakes, and writes an essay about how snakes are misunderstood, and comes back the next day just prepared

Director: You know, we listened to it back, and the cat was working. Just keep it up.
Tom: *internal snake feelings* Right-o.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 03:59 am (UTC)
Does this mean he previously did tons of research and logged in observation hours with cats?
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 04:01 am (UTC)
Yes. Yes, he did. He speaks three different dialects of Cat, and is very apologetic that he doesn't speak more, but it's really more conversational Cat, and it's not very good.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 04:04 am (UTC)
Seeing as how cats naturally have judging faces, he probably learned "I'm sorry" before anything else in Cat.

Although to be honest, he probably would have learned that phrase first regardless of what the cats looked like.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 04:08 am (UTC)
'I'm sorry,' is probably how he introduces himself.

"I'm sorry, I'm Tom Hiddleston."

I saw a gif the other day of him during an interview and he totally began with 'I'm sorry', and someone in the crowd went 'why, Tom?' and he sort of confusedly answered, 'It's a pleasure to be here', or something like that. He could be Canadian. He'd fit in well here.


Speaking of cats, baby caracals are the most adorable little things. They try so hard to look ferocious.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 04:11 am (UTC)
He either has or will eventually end up saying, "I'm sorry that I keep apologizing."

Man those caracals are cute. That one in the photo looks a little disgruntled that none of the other animals seem to fear him. I mean, look at him! He's fierce! And dangerous, dammit!!
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 04:17 am (UTC)
He either has or will eventually end up saying, "I'm sorry that I keep apologizing."

He has. And the apologized for it.

I mean, look at him! He's fierce! And dangerous, dammit!!

Hee! I feel like all my daemon searching has made me love the wide world of animals much more. I love how much personality everything has, or perhaps how much we project onto the animals. When I was looking for Arthur's daemon, I discovered that lionesses look 900% done with everything all the time. They're either yelling at their mate, or tiredly letting their cubs jump on them.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 04:23 am (UTC)
He has. And the apologized for it.

Of course.

I discovered that lionesses look 900% done with everything all the time.

Hahaha! "King of the jungle, my paw! Get off your lazy ass and hunt some antelopes!"

You know...I started to think about if it was possible to do a HDM-verse for Good Omens. Crowley and Aziraphale don't technically have souls so they wouldn't have natural daemons (like how they don't have natural human bodies) but perhaps they can create a fake one and choose the animal that way. Or maybe their respective Home Offices assign them the daemon as they do the bodies.

Huh. I have to think about this now...
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 04:31 am (UTC)
Oh, that's a very good thought. They'd have to have some solution, as seeing someone without a daemon is like seeing someone without a head, so people would pick up on that, unless they were magicked not to notice.

I bet there would be something 'off' about the daemons, if they did have them. You'd be left with a vague uneasy feeling.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 04:48 am (UTC)
I bet there would be something 'off' about the daemons, if they did have them. You'd be left with a vague uneasy feeling.

Maybe the animals wouldn't quite behave the way those animals should. And most likely both Crowley and Aziraphale would forget and have their daemons move too far away from them and only notice when someone else noticed.

I feel like Crowley would have taken a LONG time to select his daemon. On one hand he'd want something that befits his demon status but on the other hand, he is trying to be a bit more low key so that it's not like a neon sign saying, "EVIL."
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 04:56 am (UTC)
I feel like Aziraphale would choose a platypus, because everyone is very embarrassed about the mistake that created them, and he feels as though he should give the poor wee things a chance instead of brushing it under the carpet.

There has to be some confusion about the fact that demon and daemon are pronounced the same, too.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 04:58 am (UTC)
I feel like Aziraphale would choose a platypus,

Oh, Aziraphale. I love you so so very much. You're lovely.

There has to be some confusion about the fact that demon and daemon are pronounced the same, too.

Maybe Crowley and Aziraphale would call them something different when talking to each other about daemons. Crowley would probably make a comment about humans just naturally needing to make things more confusing, those wonderful bastards.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 05:03 am (UTC)
Crowley would probably make a comment about humans just naturally needing to make things more confusing, those wonderful bastards.

They could always use 'agathodaimon', which is what the Greeks called a 'good spirit'. Kakodaimon is what the Greeks called a bad spirit. And it all got mixed together due to ineffable reasons, I'm sure.

I was just reading about that the other day when I was doing daemon research. More information that is of no practical use!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 3rd, 2014 05:08 am (UTC)
More information that is of no practical use!

*cheers!*

So I guess in the HDM/GO crossover world, it's when the human dies that they merge with their daemons (to be like us in the real world) and shuttle off to either heaven or hell.

Although I do like the image of Aziraphale helpfully chatting with various animal daemons after death to give them directions toward heaven.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 3rd, 2014 05:11 am (UTC)

Although I do like the image of Aziraphale helpfully chatting with various animal daemons after death to give them directions toward heaven.


^_^


The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 03:20 am (UTC)
Hey, I did a thing. I have no excuses for it, except that I wanted to see what daemons might look like inserted into scenes. So I did Izzie and Dejeni. It didn't look good with the usual effect, so that's just plain manipulation.

I also did Thor and Loki, with a comicish effect added.

I'll leave now.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 03:29 am (UTC)
This just maybe me completely projecting, but I feel like the expressions on Howard and Steve's faces are totally mirrored on their daemons. I love how much both Steve and Izzie look like they're Paying Attention.

I like the placement of Thor and Loki's daemons. Loki's looks like it's ready to pounce which is basically what's happening in that scene between Loki and Thor.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 03:35 am (UTC)
I love how much both Steve and Izzie look like they're Paying Attention.

It's the same photo I almost always use for Issie, with her head moved to look downward, so she's just as alert, just in different direction. I like to think Steve puts Issie up on tables so she can be a part of things, rather than trying to keep up from the floor.

Loki's looks like it's ready to pounce which is basically what's happening in that scene between Loki and Thor.

I feel like Thor is going 'we should do the thing!' and Loki is going 'you should not do the thing!' and Svana is going 'I am indignant also, but we should maybe perhaps not do the thing' and Galdra is going 'no, no, totally do the thing'.

So, we're both projecting, really.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 03:43 am (UTC)
I also love the detail of Dejeni sitting on the suit material Howard's explaining. I can see her being all, "This material will save your human's life! Do you want one?"

I like to think Steve puts Issie up on tables so she can be a part of things, rather than trying to keep up from the floor.

Aw. Steve still very much remembers what it was like to be small and not always being able to see what was going on over people's shoulders.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 03:53 am (UTC)
I also love the detail of Dejeni sitting on the suit material Howard's explaining. I can see her being all, "This material will save your human's life! Do you want one?"

Dejeni: *technobabble*
Issie: So, it stops bullets?
Dejeni: *sighs* Yes. It stops bullets.
Issie: Neat! Can I have one?

Steve still very much remembers what it was like to be small and not always being able to see what was going on over people's shoulders.

And Issie is a bit miffed that he doesn't have to stretch any more and she didn't turn into a Great Dane or something, so she's still trying not to get stepped on.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 04:03 am (UTC)
Dejeni: *technobabble*
Issie: So, it stops bullets?
Dejeni: *sighs* Yes. It stops bullets.
Issie: Neat! Can I have one?


Hee hee hee!!

she didn't turn into a Great Dane or something, so she's still trying not to get stepped on.

She probably glowers a lot until Steve lifts her up so she can see.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 04:11 am (UTC)
She probably glowers a lot until Steve lifts her up so she can see.

And everyone quickly clears their papers out of the way because Captain America's daemon wants to take a look at things.

And Tony gets pissed off trying to work around her, and Demira is always shooing her into a safe corner.

Mim: No, everything here could kill you, just stay over there with DUM-E!
DUM-E: *knocks Issie off the table.*
Issie: That was intentional, wasn't it?
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 04:25 am (UTC)
Issie: That was intentional, wasn't it?

And Mim flies over to Tony's shoulder where she can giggle in safety.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 04:27 am (UTC)
I feel like I shall return from my upcoming week at the cottage with nothing but daemon fic to show for it.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 04:28 am (UTC)
Writing a bunch of daemon fic can be good for the soul.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 04:34 am (UTC)
My daemon will be very happy, then. :D
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 04:36 am (UTC)
I actually played this game with some friends in my program. What daemon we would all have. The parallel game was what our patronus would be. It was surprisingly hard because there are animals that I think would be fun to be but are they really the ones that represent MY SOUL??
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 04:49 am (UTC)
I've always thought my patronus would be a butterfly. They don't have to be spot on with your soul, just something significant to you, and I think colourful and flighty and nervous matches me pretty well.

But I don't know about my daemon. I just took a rather intensive quiz, which suggested: Wildcat, Nightingale, Panda, Tapir, Kangaroo Rat, Lynx. A nightingale appeals to me.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 04:58 am (UTC)
I think my daemon would probably be a panda. I like bears and pandas are probably the most docile, lazy, 'oh I'll just lie on my back and eat' sort of bears which speaks to me a bit.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 05:05 am (UTC)
I think a nightingale is a pretty good one for me. I like the idea of being able to fly about like a bird and being a free spirt like that, and I love music and the arts, and nightingales are symbols of poets and bards.

So, I'm Tony and you're Bruce, I guess. :D

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 05:07 am (UTC)
So, I'm Tony and you're Bruce, I guess. :D

That works! I do tend to bottle my anger up until it explodes.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on July 4th, 2014 05:09 am (UTC)
And I'm stupidly optimistic and come up with really strange ideas. Works for me.

I'm off to bed shortly. G'night!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on July 4th, 2014 05:10 am (UTC)
G'night!