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10 November 2013 @ 03:52 pm
Elementary: The Marchioness  
I haven't been keeping up much with reviewing these episodes, despite me watching them. But since this one featured the return of Mycroft, I thought I'd take a minute.


Mystery aside, I feel like much of my attention to this episode was devoted to the fact that Joan and Mycroft slept together back when she and Sherlock visited London. Count me in with Sherlock who seemed puzzled and perhaps a bit horrified by that realization. I'm STILL not sure why this happened. I mean, I could take it as a casual fling for both parties if it weren't for the fact that Joan's usually so good with boundaries that this seems incredibly uncharacteristic. She knew that Sherlock has a strained relationship with Mycroft and that sleeping with him would complicate things. Maybe she thought Mycroft would never visit New York? Maybe she thought even if it did complicate things that Sherlock's relationship with his brother shouldn't dictate her own behavior? Maybe there was just lots of good wine flowing at that dinner? Either way, I remain somewhat confused by this random event.

Joan suggested to Sherlock that maybe he was overthinking this and perhaps I am too. But it just feels so not in line with what we know about Joan and what we've seen of Mycroft. They just don't seem like people who would have a one night stand given their mutually intense relationships with Sherlock. I wasn't sure what purpose it served to the story or characters. So thus I remain confused with hopes that either it'll get better explained or it'll turn out not to be true.

Aside from this, the mystery was your usual average mystery from this show. Again, I'm a little disappointed that this version of Mycroft seems very normal and not genius-like whatsoever. He has a talent for cooking, yes, but is this the extent of his extraordinary-ness? I always loved that there existed in this world someone even more brilliant and observant than Sherlock and I was hoping Elementary would carry that over. Perhaps they still will but as of now, Mycroft's greatest contribution is that he seems more in touch with his feelings than Sherlock and is able to actually act upon them with some level of maturity (perhaps sleeping with Joan aside. I still don't get it. Why?). Nice canon shout out by naming Mycroft's restaurant Diogenes, though.
 
 
 
aelfgyfu_mead: Joan Watsonaelfgyfu_mead on November 10th, 2013 10:04 pm (UTC)
Count me in with Sherlock who seemed puzzled and perhaps a bit horrified by that realization. I'm STILL not sure why this happened. I mean, I could take it as a casual fling for both parties if it weren't for the fact that Joan's usually so good with boundaries that this seems incredibly uncharacteristic.
Yes! Yes! I argued with Brilliant Husband about this one. (Daughter did not join in despite being well in hearing range, and I'm not ready to ask my twelve-year-old whether she thinks one character ought to have slept with another.) BH didn't see it as that odd. I had exactly the same problems you did. Joan does not seem the kind for casual sex, and she knew that it would affect her relationship with Sherlock.

I also have a problem with having the revelation now and not when they were in London. I feel as though we largely follow Joan's perspective rather than Sherlock's, although the ending was clearly from Sherlock's. I didn't think there was any hint that Joan even wanted to sleep with Mycroft, let alone did it. I now question Joan's judgment in a way I never did before. Okay, Sherlock probably never told her that Mycroft still had all his stuff and blew it up after telling Sherlock that he'd kept it. But Joan should have sensed that Mycroft was not always the generous, charming man he pretended to be. If Sherlock didn't tell her that Mycroft blew up his stuff, then she believes that Mycroft took over an apartment that was really important to Sherlock, redid it, and threw away all of Sherlock's things. She knows that Mycroft didn't tell Sherlock about his illness. Sherlock's a jerk, yes, but Mycroft has serious problems as well.

I was also surprised she didn't call Mycroft on disrupting Sherlock's meeting, because that's exactly what he did, and he knew better. He invaded Sherlock's privacy and obviously upset him so much that he left a meeting. Joan doesn't know that Sherlock was speaking about something very personal at the time, but she knew enough that I thought she ought to have been at least visibly displeased with Mycroft.

Brilliant Husband thinks she was just totally off balance because she didn't think she'd see him again, and she certainly didn't expect him to pop up from inside the meeting.

Still, I was upset about that twist, and I fell like they threw it in for this episode without having laid any groundwork for it. I can't see why Joan would have slept with Mycroft, who struck me as a bit sleazy and unpleasant even before he blew up Sherlock's things. (Yeah, I'm a little stuck on that point.) I think it was lazy writing, and I'm annoyed.

I missed the name of the restaurant! I was having some troubles with the audio. The sound levels seemed to range widely, and we had neighbors using leaf blowers and possibly saws while we were watching. I do like that, but I otherwise think this is the most uncanonical Mycroft I've ever seen. I remain a bit disappointed in him.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on November 10th, 2013 10:16 pm (UTC)
but I otherwise think this is the most uncanonical Mycroft I've ever seen. I remain a bit disappointed in him.

Yes and yes. More so than any other canon character, Mycroft's update seems incredibly superficial with just little references like him having once been fat and the name of the restaurant as the only carryovers from the canon.

I was also surprised she didn't call Mycroft on disrupting Sherlock's meeting, because that's exactly what he did, and he knew better. He invaded Sherlock's privacy and obviously upset him so much that he left a meeting. Joan doesn't know that Sherlock was speaking about something very personal at the time, but she knew enough that I thought she ought to have been at least visibly displeased with Mycroft.

Yes, this was really the first time for me that Joan was written poorly as a character. I was waiting for her to side with Sherlock on the invasion of privacy because I was extremely mortified on Sherlock's behalf that Mycroft was at the meeting. It's Anonymous for a reason! Not only that he was there but he chose to unveil himself in front of everyone else. Surely he knew Sherlock would freak out, given he had originally planned on giving Sherlock plenty of notice he'd even be in New York before plans changed.

Brilliant Husband thinks she was just totally off balance because she didn't think she'd see him again, and she certainly didn't expect him to pop up from inside the meeting.

Being thrown has never stopped Joan from speaking out about appropriate boundaries. Even if Sherlock still got away with bad behavior (e.g. Him inviting himself to Joan's family dinner), she always called him out on it and made her displeasure be known no matter how much she was taken aback by it.

I still don't know WHY Joan and Mycroft had to sleep together. It wasn't used as much of a character-development tool and mainly used for Sherlock to just be extremely uncomfortable with it. They could have taken this out of the script and everything, including Mycroft's desire to be friends with Joan, could have all remained as is.
aelfgyfu_mead: Joan Watsonaelfgyfu_mead on November 10th, 2013 10:47 pm (UTC)
I still don't know WHY Joan and Mycroft had to sleep together. It wasn't used as much of a character-development tool and mainly used for Sherlock to just be extremely uncomfortable with it. They could have taken this out of the script and everything, including Mycroft's desire to be friends with Joan, could have all remained as is.

Yes! Until she actually told Sherlock that she had indeed slept with Mycroft, I was convinced that Sherlock was imagining it, which would have worked just as well for the plot—even better, I'd argue—than really sleeping with him. Or Mycroft could have asked her, and she could have turned him down. She might still be a little tense with Mycroft in that case, and she wouldn't want to tell Sherlock because Sherlock would be convinced that Mycroft was trying to take revenge for Sherlock sleeping with his fiancée (repeatedly).

In fact, I'm still not convinced that Mycroft didn't do it at least in part for revenge. He has shown himself to be deeply damaged and juvenile in his revenge.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on November 10th, 2013 11:31 pm (UTC)
Until she actually told Sherlock that she had indeed slept with Mycroft, I was convinced that Sherlock was imagining it,

I was half convinced she told him that to get him off her back or to stun him into shutting up.

I would have vastly preferred it if the main thorn in Sherlock's side would have been that Joan had known about Mycroft's illness and not told him. Or if Joan and Mycroft just really got on in a way that's very different from Sherlock's relationship to Joan which made Sherlock half suspicious and half envious. That would have more staying power than a one night stand.

But the sleeping together thing reduces it all down and makes it seem sort of pointless. As is, Sherlock seems over it which again, what was the point of it?