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06 September 2013 @ 09:00 pm
From The People Who Bring You Hannibal  
Hannibal the show may be the darkest, most disturbing thing on TV. But the cast and crew behind it are rather hilarious and lovely. Plus, they know how to interact with fans.

This flower crown thing has really taken off. Scroll down to see the checklist!

And on a completely unrelated note, Tom Hiddleston will be taking over for Benedict Cumberbatch in Guillermo del Toro's Crimson Peak. Cumberbatch would rather explore the Amazon and never return.

That makes two gothic, horror-esque films for Hiddleston. I'm really excited for Only Lovers Left Alive. I'm usually bored to tears by vampire films but I'm curious to see Jim Jarmusch's spin on it. And while the title is a bit lame, Crimson Peak is a ghost story set in England so I'm obviously going to see that one.
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quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 03:14 am (UTC)
Hannibal's cast and crew is the best ever! I was laughing in tumbr on a comment that said something like 'rate the creators and cast of your show from Bryan Fuller to Moffats respect and love for their fans'! :D It made me smile a lot! :)

OMG I am so excited by Only Lovers Left Alive, Hiddleston, but Tilda Swinton! Yay! And a non sparkling vampire is always a win for me! :)

I have no idea about Crimson Peak, but in November Hiddleston can crush my heart when Loki is destroyed and made the one dimensional villain Marvel wants in Thor2. I will so want to drink alcohol in that movie. :(
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 03:38 am (UTC)
'rate the creators and cast of your show from Bryan Fuller to Moffats respect and love for their fans'!

That is the BEST scale ever!

Hiddleston can crush my heart when Loki is destroyed and made the one dimensional villain Marvel wants in Thor2.

This will be a huge shame if it happens. Both the comics and the first movie made Loki a bit more complicated than that.

Edited at 2013-09-07 03:38 am (UTC)
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 04:30 am (UTC)
It was so funny to see how they handled their panels in the San Diego comic-con. Hannibal cast and crew and flowers, Moffat....

Gahhhh I could talk HOURS about all my Loki feels on why, why did you do that to Loki in the Avengers and what can we expect of Thor2! :S
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:33 am (UTC)
I tried to watch the San Diego footage and got about half of what they were saying. But what I did hear sounded nice. After seeing Will Graham basically descend to hell on the show, it was nice to see the face of Will Graham (Hugh Dancy) smiling and being so cheerful.

I hold rather low hopes for Thor 2. I really enjoyed what they ended up doing to Loki in the comics most recently and sort of hope they might go there. But given what's been contracted for Hiddleston, I don't hold out that much hope.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 04:41 am (UTC)
I laughed at their panel, not as much as with Hiddleston, but it was very nice. Yeah a smiling Will is a strange thing to see! ;)

I dont follow the comics. What has been done with Loki in them? And Hiddleston is forever Marvel/Disneys property isnt he? ;)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:45 am (UTC)
In the comics, Loki is killed in battle. But later Thor finds him on Earth, having been reincarnated as a young boy. Eventually the boy regains his memories partially and he goes back to Asgard with Thor who views this as his second chance with his brother.

The tragedy really is that kid!Loki genuinely wants to be a good person. He hears about all the awful things he did in his previous life and he barely remembers them. So he just wants to try and do the right thing. Eventually, kid!Loki finds out how and why he was reincarnated and he has to make a choice. And it is a sad, sad, SAD choice.

I'd love to see this in the film adaptations but it would mean replacing Hiddleston with a child actor and as you said, since he's Marvel property forever, it probably won't happen.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 05:08 am (UTC)
Bwuahaha, that is horrible, I dont think I would survive that adaptation! :( What is this! He is so screwed every time! No I think the best for him is to die on his own terms on a revenge on Thanos or on Odin I dont care. But to reincarnate and then have an Asgard that AGAIN hates him? :S :( Nope, thank you! I am too angry at Odin and Asgard and Thor for them to keep screwing Loki!incarnations over. My hope is he double crosses everyone in Thor2 and serves only himself and gets some kind of revenge. I would hope for him appearing in Avengers3 double crossing Thanos and the Avengers and being the anit-hero, anti-villain I would love to see. But of course I will get neither and he will be the moustachioed villain everyone wants just to beat him up and be 'evil'! :(
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 05:12 am (UTC)
Well, actually, Thor was quite nice to him the 2nd go around. He wanted to give Loki a happy childhood this time and he mostly succeeded.

But kid!Loki eventually finds out he either has to sacrifice himself and let his older version return or else the world will basically end. So he makes the noble sacrifice and let's his older self return. So in a way, kid!Loki dies a hero at least once.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 05:21 am (UTC)
Gah what a choice! :( And yeah it only proves that Loki in myth, comic or movie is a cosmic punching bag. :(

I dont know, I feel myself torn at the idea of wanting Loki a 'hero' or 'redeemed'. Honestly out of the Avengers who should/could cast the first stone against the 'villainous' Loki? And I really am angry at Odin with his parenting skills and manipulation. Is like he read a book on how to raise a child who hates his own species and sees himself as a monster. He has all the skills!
Thor was a bad brother. I know the majority sees him as the loving brother of the guy who 'went insane for no reason', but I dont see it.
All the double standards, apply them to Loki, that is my view of Asgard. :S
So I dont want him a 'hero' since I really dont like the 'heroes' here and I would love him to find his own way, just not conform to villain or hero. :)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 05:27 am (UTC)
Based on the first Thor film, I don't know if I necessarily see Thor as a bad brother. The Avengers was kind of a mess in terms of characterizations all around so I'll shelve that for a bit.

I feel like Thor is just so used to being liked he takes it as a fact of life and just reality. There isn't any actual malice behind his surety in being liked. Though I'm sure that's hardly comforting for Loki.

This is sort of the tragedy of Loki and Thor's relationship. Out of everyone, Thor is probably the closest to understanding and sympathizing with how difficult it might be to be Loki. They both suffer in different ways under Odin's terrible parenting so Thor is Loki's best ally in how to handle it. And yet, and yet...

That deleted scene from the first Thor movie just before Thor's coronation I think showed volumes for what life in Asgard is like for the two of them and how even under all his jealousy, Loki does love Thor.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 05:45 am (UTC)
Well exactly in that scene I see how wrong things are in Asgard for Loki and it is with the approval of Odin and Thor. Thor dismisses Loki's help in battle as tricks, and a servant laughs at a Prince. This in a society that we latter see has raised a Thor that kills when someone calls him a Princess. I have three brothers and I dont see how in any situation after one of them has said "I love you" not only is not reciprocated with the same sentiment, but is dismissed and his achievements.
Later the "know your place brother" 0_o in Jotunheim when Loki states the obvious that they are outnumbered and well all of the Avengers (not asking how are you brother who I thought was dead, but rip him out of the plane to beat him up, the 'he is adopted' and quasi condoning the possible use of torture).
Lol look at me with all this Loki things! And the funny thing is liked Loki in Thor so much, and then I hated the Avengers, and apparently look forward to suffer more in the next movie.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 05:51 am (UTC)
I hated the Avengers, and apparently look forward to suffer more in the next movie.

I'm one of the few souls on this planet that does not like Joss Whedon. Sure, he had his moments on "Angel" which is the only show of his I remotely enjoyed. But largely I find his shows to be irritating and when "Firefly" hit the TV sets my hatred was sort of cemented.

Given this, I wasn't shocked at all that I didn't enjoy the Avengers. It wasn't awful to the point where I wanted to punch things but it gave me what I expected: lots of fanfare for poorly written characters.

All of that is to say that I don't really know what Thor or Loki will be like in the next Thor movie as it'll have a different director. I'd like to think the new director will lean closer to the Kenneth Branagh characterizations. Thor being the initially arrogant favorite who had to redeem himself while Loki was the jealous shunned child whose actions got out of control.

I'm of the belief that Loki didn't mean for Thor to get banished and when that happened it sort of unleashed something in Loki. Not to excuse his actions later in the film, but I could see how it all became something of an emotional runaway train.
quickyfant: Hannibalquickyfant on September 7th, 2013 06:01 am (UTC)
Its the movie of sassy one liners and Hiddleston trying to give his character some depth by acting some parts in contradiction to what his lines say.

I fear the director for Thor2 but because he comes from Game of Thrones WHERE EVERYONE DIES...HORRIBLY. :S

His plan in Thor goes horribly wrong, but honestly he was doing what he was raised to do, kill frost giants. I am not saying its a good thing. But if you have been indoctrinated for centuries to hate a species and then your adoptive father who did the same things and taught them to you later condemns you for it...I am just 0_0 .
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:13 am (UTC)
Does this mean Cumberbatch will now be the 1920s adventurer I've always thought he should be?

I think it's cute Hiddleston is replacing him. I'm sure it's a casting choice, but I just sort of picture Ben ringing him up and giving a very long-winded explanation and asking him to cover for him and Hiddleston enthusiastically agreeing.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:16 am (UTC)
Does this mean Cumberbatch will now be the 1920s adventurer I've always thought he should be?

Indeed! Only with about 100% more tragedy.

Ben ringing him up and giving a very long-winded explanation and asking him to cover for him and Hiddleston enthusiastically agreeing.

It was almost like that but in reverse. Hiddleston got the offer so he called Cumberbatch to get his okay before accepting. So I'm imagining Hiddleston quietly but anxiously asking if it's okay and Cumberbatch giving a long speech about why it's awesome.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:23 am (UTC)

Hiddleston got the offer so he called Cumberbatch to get his okay before accepting. So I'm imagining Hiddleston quietly but anxiously asking if it's okay and Cumberbatch giving a long speech about why it's awesome.

Aww! This is a doubly adorable concept if I picture them as their otter and meerkat counterparts.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:26 am (UTC)
Here's the article about it: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/tom-hiddleston-benedict-cumberbatch-friendship

This is a doubly adorable concept if I picture them as their otter and meerkat counterparts.

Awwww!! That foursome tea party idea still makes me smile.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:33 am (UTC)
Oh, that is precious. I enjoy Tom's exclamation marks. I'd love to see him on Sherlock, though I don't know if they could afford him. Maybe he could play Molly Hooper's very smiley boyfriend.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:35 am (UTC)
Molly Hooper ending up with someone played by a smiley Tom Hiddleston would be amazing. Please don't make him evil. I want them to spend their nights in, having a takeaway and watching a movie whilst their adopted cat happily purrs between them.

Why yes, I want Molly to be happy.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:39 am (UTC)
Hmm, I may be able to write this for you...

Why yes, I want Molly to be happy.

My genuine biggest fear about Series Three is that they will somehow make things worse for her. She has to have earned some happiness by now.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:41 am (UTC)
Hmm, I may be able to write this for you...

I don't know how to insert images into a comments box but basically insert some image of a person flailing here.

My genuine biggest fear about Series Three is that they will somehow make things worse for her.

Worse or nothing changes. I'm tired of her character being used as a punching bag for bad jokes. I never found it funny. If anything the insults thrown at her by Sherlock however unintentional makes him look his worst.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:48 am (UTC)
I think my life basically revolves around writing things that you think of. I see no reason for this to be a bad thing.

Worse or nothing changes. I'm tired of her character being used as a punching bag for bad jokes. I never found it funny. If anything the insults thrown at her by Sherlock however unintentional makes him look his worst.

I'm not sure why she gets the brunt of it, either. I guess because she's the nicest character and so the greatest contrast when he acts like a prat, but he's never said anything half as mean to anyone as he says to her, regularly. The only good part is that I feel like she's the only one who makes him feel bad about himself. The look on his face when he makes her upset is always 'oh crap', but then he just keeps doing it. My only theory is that he just doesn't understand someone with fragile self-esteem because his is so high, and so he can't predict how badly what he's saying is going to hurt her.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 04:52 am (UTC)
I think my life basically revolves around writing things that you think of. I see no reason for this to be a bad thing.

Me neither. If only this could also somehow be a job.

I'm not sure why she gets the brunt of it, either.

This tends to happen in Moffat's episodes. Sherlock insulting her about her "boyfriend" Jim being gay was in a Gatiss episode but at least Gatiss allowed Molly to be angry about it and tell Sherlock. Molly in the Moffat episodes just tends to look upset and shirk away.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 04:58 am (UTC)
Me neither. If only this could also somehow be a job.

Me too. Although, I am rather busy with my fictional character naming. I don't know if I have time to work another imaginary job.

This tends to happen in Moffat's episodes. Sherlock insulting her about her "boyfriend" Jim being gay was in a Gatiss episode but at least Gatiss allowed Molly to be angry about it and tell Sherlock. Molly in the Moffat episodes just tends to look upset and shirk away.

I think that Sherlock telling her was his attempt be nice, too. In a very Sherlock way, he was trying to save her from getting hurt. Whereas at the Christmas party, that was just Sherlock being an ass because he was uncomfortable.

I feel like in both cases it's played for laughs, but Gatiss makes it clear that this isn't good, where Moffat seems to genuinely find it funny.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 7th, 2013 05:01 am (UTC)
I don't know if I have time to work another imaginary job.

Maybe part time.

I feel like in both cases it's played for laughs, but Gatiss makes it clear that this isn't good, where Moffat seems to genuinely find it funny.

And that does make all the difference for me. But it would be nice if Molly could get a nice boyfriend and just be happy. She was originally going to get that in Human Nature when I first outlined the story but got edited out due to time.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on September 7th, 2013 05:09 am (UTC)
I've also noticed that Moffat makes fun of Molly's appearance, which is very harmful to someone like
Molly who probably doesn't consider herself beautiful at the best of times. The rest of the time, it's played as Sherlock being a jerk for reasons (saving her from being hurt, trying to get her to do something for him) but with Moffat it's like he's purposefully going after her,

I'm not sure if I remember Molly in any of your fics. Have you written her before?

Aside, but related, I've always thought Molly and Q would be delightful in a scene together.