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16 June 2013 @ 04:20 pm
It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's....Who is that Actor?  
I have an incredibly difficult time recognizing Henry Cavill's face. Every time I see a picture of him or see him in an interview, it feels like I'm seeing him for the first time. I also had this problem with Brandon Routh. And then the second he stopped being Superman, I could remember his face.

Is my brain doing this to convince me it's not completely idiotic that Lois Lane and the rest of the human population can't recognize Clark Kent as Superman?

UPDATE: Okay, I went through this post in hopes of finally creating a memory of Cavill's face. Aaaaand....nothing. Does he seriously not look different in every single one of those photos?? I think I have a better memory of his body now than his face.
 
 
 
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 16th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
I have trouble focussing on the faces of really genetically perfect people, is that a similar thing? Like when someone is really chiseled and symmetrical and very ideally handsome, I don't know where to look and I just sort of slide off their faces. And I can't say why they qre handsome, they just are. Maybe it's a similar thing, and when they aren't in character, you're able to see the flaws because they aren't being made to look perfect? I mean, even Clark Kent's glasses give you something to focus on.

But when I've seen promos for Superman, my brain definitely goes 'it's Superman, that must be Henry Cavill' not 'oh look, it's Henry Cavill as Superman'. Is that what you mean? Like I don't twinge on him being Henry Cavill until I remember he's playing the part. Maybe it's the suit? It's iconic and you go there first, then see who's in it.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 16th, 2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
But when I've seen promos for Superman, my brain definitely goes 'it's Superman, that must be Henry Cavill' not 'oh look, it's Henry Cavill as Superman'. Is that what you mean? Like I don't twinge on him being Henry Cavill until I remember he's playing the part.

It's a little bit the opposite for me. When I see the trailers, I know I'm looking at Henry Cavill because it's the new Superman movie. But when I see a picture of him as himself or see an interview with him, I cannot recognize his face. I'm always like, "Who is that actor? Really? Henry Cavill? Why does he look so different?"

When I watched the Graham Norton show with him, I literally did not think he looked the same on the couch as he did in the photo Graham Norton showed at the start of the show.

Maybe genetically perfect people are inherently bland to a certain extent because of their symmetry? Like there's nothing memorable about their faces because only imperfections tend to make a dent in my brain? But I could recognize Brandon Routh soon after he stopped being Superman. Maybe his face became less symmetrical? I just don't know.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 16th, 2013 09:46 pm (UTC)
Like there's nothing memorable about their faces because only imperfections tend to make a dent in my brain?

This is definitely true of me at least. When I think of the people I think are attractive, they aren't necessarily paragons. Benedict Cumberbatch, Clive Owen, Ioan Gruffudd, etc.i tend to like them because they have something about them that I find appealing, a skill or a personality, or a unique characteristic. I like John Barrowman because he can sing. If I didn't know he could do that, he'd do nothing for me.

Brandon Routh never had much of a personality until his other roles, and I don't know enough about Henry Cavill to know if he's interesting. Superman is an inherently boring role. Maybe you don't remember because you find them boring?
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 16th, 2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
Maybe it is the personality thing. It's true that Brandon Routh really didn't have interesting roles until a little bit after the Superman movie. The combination of having a symmetrical face that does little other than stare off with a determined expression (hi, Superman!) probably doesn't make much of a lasting impression for me.

I guess it makes sense that Superman is a boring role in its perfection so a perfect looking actor who is a bit bland needs to be cast.

When I think of the people I think are attractive, they aren't necessarily paragons.

Me too. I don't think I've ever been attracted to someone who could be considered classically beautiful. I probably couldn't remember their faces long enough to find them attractive.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 12:35 am (UTC)

I guess it makes sense that Superman is a boring role in its perfection so a perfect looking actor who is a bit bland needs to be cast.


Yes, I think that's it exactly. My friend felt this way about the Captain America character--she had no interest in seeing the movie and she found the character boring in his goodness, but I felt like Chris Evans managed to create some depth in what could be a boring character. I don't feel that way about Brandon Routh, I was way more interested in James Marsden's character than I was in Clark Kent. I don't know about Cavill's interpretation, though I've heard they've gone darker and edgier. It's just not a character that I find appealing, and that may extend to the actors, too.

Me too. I don't think I've ever been attracted to someone who could be considered classically beautiful. I probably couldn't remember their faces long enough to find them attractive.

No, me either. I asked Mum, and she agreed that she didn't care for 'pretty men'. I'm usually attracted by personality or skill, then appearance afterwards. And oftentimes my appreciation of the actor makes a boring or unlikeable role easier to like. Mum doesn't find Benedict Cumberbatch appealing because she's only seen him as Sherlock, whereas I know him from other roles and his interviews, and find him very intelligent and sweet and funny. So my appreciation of Sherlock goes up because of that.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
I don't know about Cavill's interpretation, though I've heard they've gone darker and edgier.

It sounds like the story got darker but reviews seem to suggest that Cavill doesn't get to do much in the subtle acting department.

Mum doesn't find Benedict Cumberbatch appealing

My mother has described him as "lizard-like" in appearance. But in her own words, the look works for him when he's playing someone like Sherlock.

I know him from other roles and his interviews, and find him very intelligent and sweet and funny.

My appreciation for Tom Hiddleston went up a lot after I watched some interviews with him. His acting and his general look doesn't do too much for me but he's so well-spoken and gentlemanly in interviews. It almost always makes me smile.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 05:01 am (UTC)
Benedict Cumberbatch looks like an alien. But for me, that's what makes him attractive. I'm also an eye girl. If you've got nice eyes, I'm yours. And he has what I truly believe to be the most beautiful eyes on the planet.

But to each his own.

I'm also very fond of Hiddleston interviews. He's very self-possessed and articulate and sweet. I love the interviews with him and Cumberbatch, due to Cumberbatch's very endearing quality of talking so much that he starts out somewhere completely different than where he ends and has to verify if he's actually answered the question, followed by Hiddleston's reaction of 'no, he's pretty much covered it'. Hiddleston attempts to be polite by answering succinctly and softly, and Cumberbatch attempts to be polite by answering any question with every possible interpretation of it. I just want to squish them.

Conversely, I tend to find Martin Freeman less likeable in interviews, as he's so much less cuddly than John. There's nothing necessarily rude, but his attitude has quite hostile undertones to it, I find. Like, I don't know if he means to come off that way, but I find him entertaining, but also feel like I might be passing him off just by watching him.

So, I looked at your updated link and I have I come to the conclusion that Henry Cavill has the face of a man that in pictures if you told me he was the same guy, I would believe you, but if you told me they were all different guys I would also believe you. It reminds me of one of Archie's lines in a Nero Wolfe story where he says that someone's face changes completely as soon as they change the angle of it.
formerly lifeinsomniac: Huntsman Spiderjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 05:12 am (UTC)
There's nothing necessarily rude, but his attitude has quite hostile undertones to it, I find.

I first experienced Martin Freeman in a role where he was slightly hostile and sarcastic...sort of like Martin Freeman in interviews. So this idea of him being cuddly never happened for me and I tend to have a tougher time buying him in a role that's more fuzzy. Although he did an excellent job in The Hobbit.

if you told me he was the same guy, I would believe you, but if you told me they were all different guys I would also believe you.

I think part of it is the hair. Apparently growing out your hair a few inches makes all the difference to me when your face is too perfect to speak for itself.

It reminds me of one of Archie's lines in a Nero Wolfe story where he says that someone's face changes completely as soon as they change the angle of it.

How weird! I had the same vague memory of Archie noting this when I watched an episode of Hannibal a couple of weeks ago and saw how with a simple shift in camera angles, Mads Mikkelsen went from benignly elegant to creepy scary.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 05:28 am (UTC)
So this idea of him being cuddly never happened for me and I tend to have a tougher time buying him in a role that's more fuzzy

I had something similar happen when I saw Andrew Scott in another role after Moriarty. His character was very sweet, and you were supposed to feel sorry for him, but I just kept waiting for him to stab someone in the face.

I don't really begrudge Martin for not being cuddly, like some people seem to do, I just don't have the soft spot for him like I do for Hiddleston and Cumberbatch. I don't much care for the type of humour that belittles others--no matter how jokingly it's meant, and that's a Freeman specially. Incidentally, that's why Steven Moffat rubs me the wrong way, too.

Apparently growing out your hair a few inches makes all the difference to me when your face is too perfect to speak for itself.

Oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense! If you can't find a defining feature in the face, you'd look to the hair, and if the hair changes, you can't rely on the face. Yes, I endorse this theory.
formerly lifeinsomniac: Poole Wants Teajoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 05:42 am (UTC)
His character was very sweet, and you were supposed to feel sorry for him, but I just kept waiting for him to stab someone in the face.

It's like Hitchcock saying if he directed Cinderella, everyone would be wondering when the dead fairy godmother's body would turn up.

I just don't have the soft spot for him like I do for Hiddleston and Cumberbatch.

I developed a soft spot for Ben Whishaw during the Cloud Atlas press tour. He's another soft-spoken, rather sweet person. His hair also changes frequently but luckily his face is imperfect enough to be recognizable.

Incidentally, that's why Steven Moffat rubs me the wrong way, too.

I have a laundry list of things that bothers me about Moffat but that's a rant for another day. :)
The Writer They Call Tay: DH: Coming Alongawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
It's like Hitchcock saying if he directed Cinderella, everyone would be wondering when the dead fairy godmother's body would turn up.

Yes! Exactly. I didn't have the same trouble with My Life in Film, though, for whatever reason. I just wanted the show to be about Andrew's character.

I developed a soft spot for Ben Whishaw during the Cloud Atlas press tour.

I watched a few interviews with him to get a feel for writing Q, and he is rather adorable. He's the only person I've ever heard speak who could be described as having a 'fluting voice'. I've seen it in books, but I've never heard anyone have one before. He's got a very otherworldly, fae feeling to him in general.

I have a laundry list of things that bothers me about Moffat but that's a rant for another day. :)

Amen. I think I can forgive a lot if you are humble and charming and sweet, but none of those apply to Moffat, unfortunately.
formerly lifeinsomniac: GeorgeAnniejoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 02:32 pm (UTC)
He's got a very otherworldly, fae feeling to him in general.

He's been described as a woodland creature by more than a few people.

He's the only person I've ever heard speak who could be described as having a 'fluting voice'.

That's about the most perfect description of his voice I've ever heard.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
He's been described as a woodland creature by more than a few people.

I think he'd make a good faun, /random

That's about the most perfect description of his voice I've ever heard.

I sometimes amuse myself when I write my Sherlock/Skyfall verse imagining Sherlock and Q speaking to each other, and being at opposite ends of the timbre spectrum. With Mycroft coming in the middle.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 03:46 pm (UTC)
I think he'd make a good faun, /random

He did play Ariel in Julie Taymor's Tempest which is sort of close.

I sometimes amuse myself when I write my Sherlock/Skyfall verse imagining Sherlock and Q speaking to each other, and being at opposite ends of the timbre spectrum. With Mycroft coming in the middle.

I often amuse myself by coming up with ways the Holmes brothers are alike and different from one another and in what combinations this happens in. I made up some head canon about how Q is prone to physical laziness like Mycroft but unlike him the sedentary lifestyle doesn't result in him gaining any weight, much to Mycroft's annoyance.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
I saw The Tempest! I enjoyed it, but never quite get what Julie Tamor is going for in her films. I enjoyed Across the Universe too, but I don't think I know what it was trying to say. It was just pretty.

I've justified Q's slightly posher accent by saying he had an unusually high contingent of royalty in his year at Harrow, and had to posh himself up to fit in, and now he can't stop. I've also decided his need for glasses is because of strabismus, and having a lazy eye as a child, which he had to wear a patch for. Which made him an excellent addition to Sherlock's pirate crew.

I also find it interesting to see how Sherlock changes when he is also an older brother in addition to being a younger one. He's actually quite good at it. Even when I write him like his normal self, all his insults get really affectionate undertones to them, and he gets really weirdly protective but in a consciously less intrusive way than Mycroft.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 04:09 pm (UTC)
Which made him an excellent addition to Sherlock's pirate crew.

This is the cutest thing ever. I'm imagining the pirate crew having the goal of finding gold but Sherlock gets too wrapped up in piecing together clues to lead to said gold rather than actually taking the gold. He loves the finding process but once he does the gold itself is pointless. Why am I talking like two toddlers would actually FIND gold? Maybe their mother's jewelry....

I also find it interesting to see how Sherlock changes when he is also an older brother in addition to being a younger one.

I can see Sherlock initially being like, "Oooh, a new smaller, younger, much more defenseless specimen I can do experiments on!" But then he sort of bonds with Q over the fact that they get micromanaged by Mycroft's biggest brotherly attitude.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 04:22 pm (UTC)
Why am I talking like two toddlers would actually FIND gold? Maybe their mother's jewelry....

Okay, I am now arbitrarily assigning my own childhood habit of breaking every piece of jewelry my mother owned to Q, who once he finally found the treasure, had to take it apart to see how it worked. And Sherlock wasn't there to stop him because the fun part was over, and really, he wouldn't have bothered to stop him anyway.

I can see Sherlock initially being like, "Oooh, a new smaller, younger, much more defenseless specimen I can do experiments on!" But then he sort of bonds with Q over the fact that they get micromanaged by Mycroft's biggest brotherly attitude.

I have Sherlock lamenting the day Q got old enough to realize he didn't have to do what he told him. Apparently he got boring after that.

I do feel bad for Mycroft who now has two very clever brothers working in cahoots to thwart his good intentions. Though I picture Q being more open to them, if equally as unobliging in obeying. Q tends to become the mediator when I have three of them in the scene.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 04:29 pm (UTC)

once he finally found the treasure, had to take it apart to see how it worked.

Yup. He would definitely do this. This is like a projective test for children. Q would take it apart, Mycroft would see if he could sell it to gain useful funds, and Sherlock would be hurrying off to try and locate a different treasure.

There has to be a fic out there of the day Q discovered what computers can do, right?

Q tends to become the mediator when I have three of them in the scene.

He's probably the most well-adjusted one. Though when irritated Sherlock would accuse him of being spoiled.

Sherlock: Our parents doted on him. Youngest child syndrome.

Mycroft: Yes, the hugs did tend toward his direction quite frequently.

Q: Perhaps because I knew how they worked and gave a few back.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 17th, 2013 08:07 pm (UTC)
Re:
This is like a projective test for children. Q would take it apart, Mycroft would see if he could sell it to gain useful funds, and Sherlock would be hurrying off to try and locate a different treasure

Ha! Aww, now I'm picturing Mummy Holmes playing pawn shop owner for Mycroft's discoveries, and giving him sweets instead of money.

Sherlock: That's where the weight issues started.

My mental Mummy Holmes is very game for playing pretend. Probably overindulgently so.

I really need to make an excecutive decisions on whether I want Dench!M as Mummy in this verse. I like it, but it raises issues, and I keep waffling over which Mummy I want.

There has to be a fic out there of the day Q discovered what computers can do, right?

I have a fic ongoing now where Q comes to 221b after a bad day at work to not!seek somewhere comfortable to not!have an emotional reaction and he mentions to John that Father was very interested in computers and Q used to sit on his lap and watch him work.


He's probably the most well-adjusted one. Though when irritated Sherlock would accuse him of being spoiled.

Sherlock: Our parents doted on him. Youngest child syndrome.

Mycroft: Yes, the hugs did tend toward his direction quite frequently.

Q: Perhaps because I knew how they worked and gave a few back.


LOL! Aww, but I bet baby Q was very huggable with his little glasses. For some reason I picture him as having skinned knees, too. My baby Q is slightly hyperactive, though, and strabismus affects depth perception, maybe he just bumps into a lot of stuff.

I find that Sherlock as the middle child works on a stereotypical Middle Child Syndrome level as well. He's definitely the rebel of the family, and most of his behaviour is very attention seeking. It kind of surprises me how easy it is to combine these two verses. It's addictive.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 17th, 2013 10:32 pm (UTC)
Aww, but I bet baby Q was very huggable with his little glasses.

He would be in his glasses and small mop of unruly hair.

My version of him is pretty quiet and docile by temperament. But I might be thinking this because I have trouble imaging adult!Q being hyperactive. He's sort of sedate in that overly confident, sometimes too much so kind of way. Like Sherlock. When Bond tries to out-snark him at the museum I have this image of Q thinking, "Please, I survived childhood with my two brothers. This is nothing. I'm not even trying."

All this talk has now sparked an idea in me. Dammit, why do I get plot bunnies but never word fairies?
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 18th, 2013 12:01 am (UTC)
My version of him is pretty quiet and docile by temperament.

I think maybe I don't mean hyperactive so much as very busy doing Things, Important Things which are Important and need to be done Immediately, Because they are Brilliant. So a lot of being very active and going from project to project, but not in an uncontrolled way. The way Sherlock is sometimes super frantic, but then other times totally immobile.

"Please, I survived childhood with my two brothers. This is nothing. I'm not even trying."

Ha! It's the scene where he's talking so calmly to Bond who is about to be hit by a train that is so Holmesian to me. "Hmm. That's vexing."

All this talk has now sparked an idea in me. Dammit, why do I get plot bunnies but never word fairies?

Sorry! I'll see if I can send mine along, she's been very kind to me lately, if a bit flighty.

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 18th, 2013 12:13 am (UTC)
"Hmm. That's vexing."

I loved the little detail of the entire Q branch staff standing up from their seats in the background and staring at the screen all D: when it looked like Bond was going to flattened by the train. And then everyone going back to their business when it didn't happen.

I'll see if I can send mine along, she's been very kind to me lately, if a bit flighty.

If she does, I'll get to write the one where John sees Q and Mrs. Hudson interact.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 18th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
And then everyone going back to their business when it didn't happen.

The Q-Branch Flowchart:

That's vexing.-->did he die?
If yes: write a report--go back to work.
If no: go back to work.


If she does, I'll get to write the one where John sees Q and Mrs. Hudson interact.


Aww! I wrote one a while back where they go to interact, but Q was undercover so it wasn't the same. I can picture her doting on him like crazy.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 18th, 2013 12:32 am (UTC)
The Q-Branch Flowchart

BAHAHAHAAA!!!

I can picture her doting on him like crazy.

She totally does which Q loves and Sherlock is irritable about because he needs the files on that laptop NOW.

"Here you go, Mrs. Hudson," Q greeted, offering the box. The ribbons fell away to reveal rows of mini cakes."

"Oh, Victoria Sponge, my favorite," said Mrs. Hudson, clearly touched. "How thoughtful. I'll set these out for tea then, shall I? Earl Grey for you?"

"I didn't have you come here for a tea party!" Sherlock shouted from the across the hall. "This is important," he added, nearly slamming the laptop down to its death to emphasize the point.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 18th, 2013 12:35 am (UTC)
Hahaha! Oh, God, yes! Q is the only Holmes brother with any sort of social skills, and he probably dresses just like all the Nice Young Men did in her, too. I love it! :-D
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 18th, 2013 01:04 am (UTC)
I like the idea that Q almost prides himself on being polite since after encountering the other two Holmes brothers, everyone is always so pleased to meet one with manners.

"I'll bring the tea up when it's ready," offered Mrs. Hudson.

Sherlock impatiently waved her off. "And accompanied by silence would be most appreciated, thank you," he said, managing to sound a perfect blend of condescending and ungrateful.

"Don't trouble yourself," insisted Q. "We'll come downstairs."

"We'll WHAT?!"

"Sherlock, she's not here to serve us," Q chastised, lightly.

Mrs. Hudson laughed at that. "I'm always telling him I'm not his housekeeper."

"How much longer must this go on?" demanded Sherlock.
The Writer They Call Tayawanderingbard on June 18th, 2013 01:14 am (UTC)
I like the idea that Q almost prides himself on being polite since after encountering the other two Holmes brothers, everyone is always so pleased to meet one with manners.

Yes! I had Lestrade observe that he was the least annoying Holmes brother because he was quietly superior instead of openly mocking. While also qualifying that with the statement that least annoying Holmes brother was not really an achievement.

"How much longer must this go on?" demanded Sherlock.

:-D

Write it. Write it.

Edited at 2013-06-18 01:14 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on June 18th, 2013 03:55 am (UTC)
Yup, it happened.

I wrote it pretty quickly but it was fun either way!