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12 February 2012 @ 09:31 pm
Being Human Series 4: Being Human 1955  
And here Annie, George and Mitchell thought they were so special.


It really says something about the actors that despite never really seeing Hal, Leo, and Pearl living together other than a few scenes, I really felt for Hal when his werewolf and ghost moved on. I had a feeling that Leo was going to die at the end of this episode but I was pretty surprised when Pearl's door came as well. As pleased as I was for them that they got their love story (extremely short but oh so good!), my heart cracked a little when Hal realized they were both leaving him. Those scenes with doors appearing for the spirits to move on have always made me choke up since the very beginning and this one was no exception. Can I please get some fanfic of the days when this trio were living together and happy? We know how Hal and Leo met but how did they meet Pearl? I want this back story!!

As much as I get why Leo and Pearl are so adamant that Hal stay away from blood, full stop, this doesn't seem like a viable solution forever. Mitchell's vampire friend who completely fell off the wagon and murdered his human lover for blood described the hunger as a kind of tidal wave that you can hold back for only so long. As much as I commend Hal for keeping that at bay for 50+ years, I feel like this is just a losing battle. Isn't there a way he can still drink some blood (animal, donation bags, etc.) so he doesn't go completely off the deep end? It doesn't seem like vampires can completely abstain without just raising the risk of them going on a major massacre once the hunger wins. Hal seriously looks like a time bomb ready to go any minute.

So now Hal has been adopted by Annie and Tom. I liked the random bits of character information we learned about him. The ritual he has with the dominoes Leo gave him (more back story fodder!), his slight OCD tendencies which are obviously related to the blood lust, and his frightful history with Kia Ora (seriously, someone write me this fic!). It's so clear that Hal and Tom are set up to be an odd couple what with Hal being so old, neat, and uptight and Tom being so young, messy, and laid back. I liked how their scenes highlighted the somewhat understandable bigotry Tom has against vampires while Hal more or less seems over that kind of prejudice which is a refreshing change from the vampires always being the racist group.

I wasn't a huge fan of the whole ceremony regarding Eve. I get why it had to happen for later but the scene was sort of silly. And as much as I like Lenora Crichlow and Annie, I'm getting a little sick of story lines for her where she has to act kind of ridiculous.

Speaking of Eve, so IS that the adult version of her showing up on the TV screens and giving Leo that message in hopes that Hal would kill baby Eve? Or is it someone else? I guess I'll just need to keep watching to find out. Oh, such hard work!


On a random side note: given how old Hal has been hinted at being (like, seriously old), I'm convinced in my head that he knew Hrothbert of Bainbridge when they were both alive. It'd be hilarious if they ran into each other in 2012. But someone else needs to write that fic.

Wow, this entire post has basically been me throwing out random plot bunnies in hopes that someone will pick one of them up.
 
 
 
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: ST_Captain'sChairguardian_chaos on February 16th, 2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
Hal's face when he said "You're leaving me?" made me want to crawl into my computer screen, wrap him in a blanket, and shriek, "You're too precious for this world!" while bawling uncontrollably. Perhaps this was a drastic reaction, but, well, it was remarkable acting, courtesy of his face. I think it was appropriate.

We know how Hal and Leo met but how did they meet Pearl?

Um. How did Hal and Leo meet? I somehow missed that. I want this fanfic, too! I'd love to read about Hal's encounter at the circus. With those letters, it seems like a lot of the gaps have been filled in already, anyway. He's very long-winded when he feels guilty about something, isn't he? This is hilarious to me.

It doesn't seem like vampires can completely abstain without just raising the risk of them going on a major massacre once the hunger wins. Hal seriously looks like a time bomb ready to go any minute.

I loved the dominoes. I picture him having a wide variety of "I WILL STOP MYSELF FROM LIKING ANYTHING" exercises. Which will be interesting to explore, as Annie seems like the type who will try very hard to help him--GASP--enjoy his life (the nerve!).

I wasn't a huge fan of the whole ceremony regarding Eve. I get why it had to happen for later but the scene was sort of silly.

Oh my goodness, yes. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought so. Annie's not that ridiculous. I kind of shrugged it off, but she really doesn't need to be marginalized like a fool that way. She's brilliant and doesn't need to be made to look so silly. I can excuse it away with Hal's comment about her mask being even better than his, since that implies that mask of hers (including her grand showcasing with the Eve ceremony thing) is apparent and maybe slipping and...

Actually, no. It was a tad sloppy. Still, I shall move on!

Speaking of Eve, so IS that the adult version of her showing up on the TV screens and giving Leo that message in hopes that Hal would kill baby Eve? Or is it someone else? I guess I'll just need to keep watching to find out. Oh, such hard work!

I don't even know what to think about her! She's all over the place. I'm ridiculously curious, though! If she is Eve, why would she want herself (as a baby) killed, though? And to only watch it happen? I mean, what would be the point of her traveling back in time if she's just going to cyber-stalk everyone? It's confusing.

On a random side note: given how old Hal has been hinted at being (like, seriously old), I'm convinced in my head that he knew Hrothbert of Bainbridge when they were both alive. It'd be hilarious if they ran into each other in 2012. But someone else needs to write that fic.

I WAS THINKING THIS, TOO! YES. YES-YES-YES. How would they go about meeting, you think? As in, why?

Hrothbert is thinking of ways to induce immortality for Winifred, who keeps dying after he brings her back. Vampirism was something he considered once, just as a fleeting thought. Perhaps it was at this point that he started to wonder if he had gone too far, and if it was time to turn himself in. Letting his beloved come back, only to suffer for all eternity as a monster craving blood? What had become of him? Perhaps Hal sees what Hrothbert is willing to do and starts re-thinking his own fate, too.

Arg! This is a fascinating thought.

I also liked Hal's speech about murder and how Tom's face would haunt the shopkeeper's mind for the rest of his life. That was very well-written. Chills. ;)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 01:03 am (UTC)
Hal's face when he said "You're leaving me?" made me want to crawl into my computer screen, wrap him in a blanket, and shriek, "You're too precious for this world!" while bawling uncontrollably. Perhaps this was a drastic reaction, but, well, it was remarkable acting, courtesy of his face. I think it was appropriate.

When he told Leo he'll never forget him, I wanted to start bawling and beg Leo to not walk through that door. "Hal might be able to say it, Leo. BUT I WILL: DON'T GO!!!!"

How did Hal and Leo meet? I somehow missed that.

You can watch the Hal prequel here which shows his meeting with Leo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3_9IkSL7Rg

With those letters, it seems like a lot of the gaps have been filled in already, anyway. He's very long-winded when he feels guilty about something, isn't he? This is hilarious to me.

I love how eloquent Hal can be at times. It really hints to his background which the actor (Damian Molony) has spoke a bit about in interviews.

Annie's not that ridiculous. I kind of shrugged it off, but she really doesn't need to be marginalized like a fool that way.

The writers have hinted at giving us powerful!Annie so they better not be lying!

How would they go about meeting, you think? As in, why?

Well, given the time periods (around 1600s?) I'd imagine Hal was still human when he met Hrothbert. Not having much of a background yet on Hal, I don't know why he'd be meeting a wizard unless it was just random chance.

I imagine more Hal and Bob meeting now in 2012 and swapping long stories about how you can't murder people without remembering their faces and how temptation is the most dangerous thing of all, etc.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_Rainguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
When he told Leo he'll never forget him, I wanted to start bawling and beg Leo to not walk through that door. "Hal might be able to say it, Leo. BUT I WILL: DON'T GO!!!!"

I know!!! And then when Pearl also had to leave him, completely unexpectedly!? He hadn't even been able to prepare for that! SO TRAUMATIC! Don't go, EITHER OF YOU! Stay! Stay and have tea with Annie and Tom and the baby for all of eternity! Please! It just seemed like The Universe had declared the day "Destroy Hal's Already Emotionally Precarious Life Day."

And eee!! A prequel! Opening that link right now. Yay! I'll tell you what I think about it after I've seen it.

I love how eloquent Hal can be at times. It really hints to his background which the actor (Damian Molony) has spoke a bit about in interviews.

I don't watch a lot of interviews for most shows, but I kind of want to know what you're talking about now. Can you recommend any regarding what Molony says about Hal's past?

The writers have hinted at giving us powerful!Annie so they better not be lying!

Indeed! *prepares to join pitchfork-wielding crowd*

Well, given the time periods (around 1600s?) I'd imagine Hal was still human when he met Hrothbert. Not having much of a background yet on Hal, I don't know why he'd be meeting a wizard unless it was just random chance.

Random Chance is a favorite story theme for me. And wasn't Bob around 900? So Bob wouldn't be from the 1600s. Bob would probably already be damned at that point, wouldn't he? So Hal would have to meet Bob as a skull. Tell me if I'm missing something, because I'm foggy on Bob!details right now. ^_^;

I imagine more Hal and Bob meeting now in 2012 and swapping long stories about how you can't murder people without remembering their faces and how temptation is the most dangerous thing of all, etc.

I think it'd be interesting if they met twice. Once in the old days, and again in the new days, to show the passage of how time and how people can change, given enough time and enough incentive.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 02:39 am (UTC)
Can you recommend any regarding what Molony says about Hal's past?

I need to keep searching. I swear there was some interview that was just of Molony who spoke a little bit about what was in Hal's past and what was in store for him in the future. But I cannot find it.

And wasn't Bob around 900? So Bob wouldn't be from the 1600s. Bob would probably already be damned at that point, wouldn't he? So Hal would have to meet Bob as a skull.

For some reason I thought Bob was younger but I could be completely wrong. I haven't watched DF in such a long time.

I imagine Hal back then would be significantly more violent and just callous. And Bob would be much more rageful given his incorporeal state. Hal would probably enjoy torturing Bob by pointing out all the things he's missing out on now that he's trapped.

Maybe now that it's 2012, he can write Bob a 5 page apology letter too.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_HurricaneSkyguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 02:58 am (UTC)
"But I think you don't want to be you, either."
"Sometimes we don't have a choice."
"Then we are both in chains."

Ohh! This prequel! I like it so much! I didn't know this clip even existed! Eee! You can really tell that Hal has started to view Leo as a human being instead of entertainment when Leo asks what his name is, and Hal's eyes flicker up with a bit of distrust (but a bit of hope, too) and he answers truthfully.

Aw, the Leo/Hal friendship is so well-developed for a friendship that spans two episodes and a prequel. :(

I need to keep searching. I swear there was some interview that was just of Molony who spoke a little bit about what was in Hal's past and what was in store for him in the future. But I cannot find it.

Well, if you find it, I would love to see it! But no worries if it seems to have vanished. Do you remember what he hinted at?

For some reason I thought Bob was younger but I could be completely wrong. I haven't watched DF in such a long time.

I should probably refresh my Bob!knowledge a bit anyway, for writing's sake. 900 really seemed correct to me, but I am now unsure. *scratches head* To the Wikipedia-mobile!

Maybe now that it's 2012, he can write Bob a 5 page apology letter too.

OH MY GOD.

Dear Hrothbert of Bainbridge, now also known as "Bob",

I am writing to inform you that I deeply regret the circumstances that led to the sudden fallout of our unlikely friendship upon the conclusion of our last meeting. You see, when I picked up the skull that lay, mocking me, upon the Wizard's desk, I had no way of knowing that your form--then standing, as you were, beside me--would be dragged after the skull when I then threw it, in rage, out of the window.

Allow me to explain my reasoning. Ever since the dawn of my childhood, I have had an unseemly fear of small things. Now, your skull was, of course, part of a much larger presence when you were still living, but now, given your, if I may call it, "indentured" status, the place that holds you does not comply with my standards for what a human being is expected to look like.

Your eyes were black hollows, and I felt greatly unsettled. It was not helpful that your current master was conjuring some rather noxious green air around us both, thus distracting me and causing me to have uncomfortable flashbacks to my days among the German mobs. In fear, I panicked. Your skull was the closest thing to me, and also seemed to be greatly valued by the Wizard then causing my fear.

Without thinking, no, perhaps not even breathing, I wrapped my hands tightly around those carved symbols and hurled you with all of my might for the nearest window. This did accomplish my goal and your master did cease his creation of the foul odors and smoke that were around him, which did allow me the chance to draw back my hand and strike him quite thoroughly in the face. In this, I have no regrets.

However, the sight of your velvet blazer and terrified blue eyes as you hurtled through the air and out the window have haunted me to this day. It matters not that you were unharmed! To me, the damage, whether mental or emotional or simply inconvenient, is in fact very real.

I hope you will accept my apologies for throwing you from a window on the fourth floor and into a crowd of witch-wary peasants as sincere, as I can assure you, my guilt at the way they swarmed you and began throwing vegetables, common household objects--and at one point, I believe, a chicken--is all too genuine.

Perhaps you can someday find it in your dead heart to forgive me for the way I have wronged you.

Sincerely yours,

Hal.

...

Harry put down the letter and lifted an eyebrow at Bob. "Bob, how do you meet these people?"

Bob sighed, long-suffering and low. He shrugged. "I have encountered many people, Harry. Not all of them have been prime examples of mental health."
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
Without thinking, no, perhaps not even breathing, I wrapped my hands tightly around those carved symbols and hurled you with all of my might for the nearest window. This did accomplish my goal and your master did cease his creation of the foul odors and smoke that were around him, which did allow me the chance to draw back my hand and strike him quite thoroughly in the face. In this, I have no regrets.

I am wiping tears from my eyes. It's the last line! The brilliance! You got Hal's drollery slash utter seriousness down perfectly.

Aw, the Leo/Hal friendship is so well-developed for a friendship that spans two episodes and a prequel. :(

I loved both old!Leo and young!Leo. I really liked the few conversations we got between Leo and Hal. The actors and the writers did a great job of capturing a nice, comfortable feeling between Hal and old!Leo that it was clear they'd been through a lot together. The random discussion about Superman's hair, Hal telling Leo to stop going to medical websites, etc.

It's also a minor detail but I liked Hal's (or rather Damien Molony's) acting when he told Annie about Leo giving him the dominoes. There was just the right amount of fondness for Leo for giving him that anchor mixed with Hal's single-mindedness about sticking with the routine so he can ward off the blood lust.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: DTamers_BeautifulNightguardian_chaos on February 17th, 2012 03:17 am (UTC)
I am wiping tears from my eyes. It's the last line! The brilliance! You got Hal's drollery slash utter seriousness down perfectly.

For some reason, I find it very entertaining to picture the reaction of the unnamed wizard here.

The wizard stood there, blinking, his furious laughter drawn to a quick and quiet halt. Where the shop had once been filled with gale-force winds and tongues of fire, now there was only silence and papers settling quietly on the floor.

"Why on earth did you do that?" Trails of blood trickled from the wizard's nose and into his beard. "I thought you were plotting with him to defeat me! Why would you throw him out of the window?"

Hal shuffled rather gamely from one foot to the other and laughed in a way he hoped would sound threatening but only came out choked and gurgled. "Well! As...as you should know! Even my friends should know to fear me!" He looked around the office, seeing his chance to escape. He picked up the cauldron full of world-destroying potential and hauled it from the table. The iron was surprisingly heavy, and caused him to stagger as he waddled for the exit. "For I am...for I am greatly to be feared! Let that be a lesson to you, then!"

It was one of those days he would never speak of again, truly.

The random discussion about Superman's hair, Hal telling Leo to stop going to medical websites, etc.

I know, they were so domestic! Which is one of my favorite things to see in friendships. There was so much comfort and ease of being around each other. You could tell they pretty much knew each other inside and out, which was lovely.

There was just the right amount of fondness for Leo for giving him that anchor mixed with Hal's single-mindedness about sticking with the routine so he can ward off the blood lust.

Hmm. That's true. And now, Hal will probably have even more reasons to treasure the little ways that Leo taught him to control his inner urges, just because those habits will remind him of Leo.

Aww. How can I already be so sad that a character has lost his friend, when I only just met both of them? Wow, that's good character development.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 17th, 2012 02:46 am (UTC)
Okay, this interview isn't it, but it basically does say most of what I recall Molony talking about in a different interview: http://www.digitalspy.com/video/v1422679645001/being-humans-damien-molony-hals-nowhere-near-as-cool-as-mitchell.html

Also, original Irish accent!
aelfgyfu_mead: Annie and Georgeaelfgyfu_mead on March 19th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
What letters? Did I miss things? Did BBCA (gasp) clip some scenes?

Thanks for the link to the prequel—Brilliant Husband and I enjoyed it very much.

The spider scene at the beginning! I was wracking my brain to try to figure out what kind of nemesis would be upstairs that Hal would send Pearl to kill, but I'd never, ever have come up with spider!

BH says he predicted as soon as we met Leo that Pearl would leave with Leo. I do not recall this, but he is almost certainly telling the truth. I was so focused on figuring out who the now-dead blond woman was that I lost track of other things. I am still completely at a loss for the identity of Now-Dead Blond Woman. And do all women have to be ghosts or babies? Gender dynamics, writers!

I did like Hal and Tom's dynamics. "You're a dickhead." "You're a Neanderthal." Neither argued with the other's characterization, note!

Marketing Vampire had me screaming with laughter. I told BH it was a focus group! "They're eating my focus group."

Sick, sick show. And I really needed to cry about more people leaving, even if I had just met them last episode. . . .
formerly lifeinsomniac: HalDominosjoonscribble on March 20th, 2012 12:04 am (UTC)
What letters? Did I miss things? Did BBCA (gasp) clip some scenes?

The BBC website gave us some letters on their blog that Hal wrote to the miniature circus after he had a...um...accident at one of their performances. I linked it here: http://joonscribble.livejournal.com/321502.html

This series the BBC blog has been filled with lovely extras. There was a deleted scene for a later episode between Hal and a familiar face that I loved.

And do all women have to be ghosts or babies? Gender dynamics, writers!

Yeah, this continues to annoy me. When they did the spin off Becoming Human they made the werewolf a girl which was a nice change. Sadly, the spin off won't be continuing on so...

Marketing Vampire had me screaming with laughter.

Cutler is one of the few characters who even after I learned his backstory I never warmed up to. I seriously cannot figure out why I dislike him because he seems to have all the usual elements I like in a baddie. And yet...and yet...