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11 February 2012 @ 08:13 pm
Spoke Too Soon  
Almost immediately after I posted my review of Grimm where I said the show was amazingly angst and drama-free considering its general content, we got two episodes in a row that were full on angst-ridden and creeptastic.

To be fair, the main characters of the show remain more or less on the sunny side of life, all things considered. But wow, did we ever get some truly grade A angst for the guest stars.
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Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: Sherlock_Polestarguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 02:10 am (UTC)
Really? Ah, now I'm curious. Care to reveal more details about the nature of this angst?

Oh! Oh, 'Scrib! And speaking of angst, I saw Being Human! AUG! Wow, punch to the gut. I'm still processing.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 02:21 am (UTC)
Care to reveal more details about the nature of this angst?

Well, in the Organ Grinder episode, a bunch of homeless teens were vanishing and it turns out a supernatural group of creatures were harvesting their organs for various medicinal purposes. It was a twist on the Hansel and Gretel fairytale and the show's Hansel and Gretel were so incredibly tragic and sad.

In the recent Tarantella episode, a spider-woman can only remain young by sucking the lives out of young men. She hates doing it with every fiber of her being but she must as she doesn't want to die and leave her husband and daughter behind. The ending shot of her was ridiculously depressing.

So, lots of guest star angst and tragedy but none really for the main characters. Nick is finally starting to try and figure out a way to tell his live in girlfriend his other life, but hasn't been able to bring himself to do it.

I saw Being Human! AUG! Wow, punch to the gut. I'm still processing.

I KNOW. Talk about TRAGIC. And as sad as I am about George, I'm rather intrigued by Hal, Leo and Pearl.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: DTamers_BeautifulNightguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
Over the past few days, my comment notifications have been very delayed. Is this happening to you, too?

Holy crap, that Tarantella episode does sound so sad! Though I'm kind of...compelled to watch that episode. *coughs* I love self-loathing plots a little too much. Gyah!

How does his live-in girlfriend not suspect anything yet? Even women in half-wit, 30-minute sitcoms who have the brains of drunken fleas know that when their significant other comes home ten minutes late from work, or with a strange rumple in his/her clothes or hair means OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS GOING ON THAT I WON'T APPROVE OF AND MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY.

I'm really intrigued by Hal, Leo and Pearl too. I think I'm going to like all of them. Has the second episode been aired yet? I think I'm about to check this.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
Over the past few days, my comment notifications have been very delayed. Is this happening to you, too?

Not that I've noticed. Unless you wrote me the above message an hour ago?

I'm kind of...compelled to watch that episode.

I always wish the episodes for Grimm would just be a bit better. And this last episode was no different. It's not so much that they stories are BAD but the resolutions are always a bit, "Wha?"

How does his live-in girlfriend not suspect anything yet?

Not really. At least not due to Nick's behavior and/or appearance. Most of the stuff is easily explainable as being part of Nick's job as a homicide cop. But recently other Wesen (the show's term for a supernatural creature) have been observing their house which has her concerned but she doesn't suspect it as a supernatural thing. As far as I can tell, Wesen look like humans to all regular people.

OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS GOING ON THAT I WON'T APPROVE OF AND MUST STOP IMMEDIATELY.

I'd almost cite Juliette's (the girlfriend) general lack of observation-driven anxiety as a cornerstone for why Nick doesn't really suffer that much from Major Character Angst.

Has the second episode been aired yet? I think I'm about to check this.

Airing tomorrow!
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: TemptingFateguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 03:26 am (UTC)
Not that I've noticed. Unless you wrote me the above message an hour ago?

More like I didn't get the notification for your reply until 9:51, though it says you replied at 9:21. I had that happen for a few comments in the Sherlock fic I posted a few days ago, too.

It's not so much that they stories are BAD but the resolutions are always a bit, "Wha?"

Aw! Though I feel like that's a common problem Supernatural-themed shows/stories/etc. have. Non-fantasy stories hit this less frequently because logic and the story-teller's own experiences can propel them forward, and not a lot has to be conjured from nowhere. With supernatural-themed stories, often a lot of their plots rely on really good imagination, intertwined seamlessly with logic despite taking place in a completely unrealistic world. It's a delicate balance. I hope that made sense. I think this paragraph was a bit unwieldy. *coughs*

But recently other Wesen (the show's term for a supernatural creature)

Randomly, I just have to tilt my head in confusion at that name. "Wesen". That sounds so random, and I don't like it. >_>

I'd almost cite Juliette's (the girlfriend) general lack of observation-driven anxiety as a cornerstone for why Nick doesn't really suffer that much from Major Character Angst.

Haha! So his being in a lazy relationship is the reason his life is still so sunny and grand. I'm strangely entertained by that.

Airing tomorrow!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!! Expect a ranty e-mail from me about the new cast once I've seen it. :D :D
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 03:40 am (UTC)
Non-fantasy stories hit this less frequently because logic and the story-teller's own experiences can propel them forward, and not a lot has to be conjured from nowhere.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of fantasy stories suffer from the writers getting too wrapped up in the whole, "Just about anything can happen!!" thus leading to seriously improbably solutions.

"Wesen". That sounds so random, and I don't like it. >_>

It's the German word for "creature" which is why the show picked it, I think. The show in general uses real German words when naming their supernatural creatures. (blutbad, bauerschweine, fuchsbau, etc.) The fact that they use actual German might lend the name more cred but sometimes it just sound silly.

Haha! So his being in a lazy relationship is the reason his life is still so sunny and grand. I'm strangely entertained by that.

Initially I really couldn't quite get a feel for the relationship between Nick and Juliette. But as the show went on, I find that they actually do a nice job of making them a very normal, comfortable, believable couple.

The biggest strength this show has going for it is that they don't let the supernatural element in Nick's life overshadow every corner of his existence. I'm sensing that the show is starting to close the walls on him a little but I like that he isn't constantly bemoaning how to keep this stuff from Juliette and whining that all he wants to be is normal.

I also appreciate that Nick is a new kind of Grimm in that he isn't following tradition and killing every Wesen he encounters which is how the Grimms of the past have done it. The show's done a nice job of showing Wesen who are less than good (we get one every week killing someone) but also showing us Wesen who are just trying to live their lives.

Nick's aunt who was the Grimm before him was rather scary. Not just because she could kick ass despite being riddled with cancer but it was so clear how heartless she could be.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_HurricaneSkyguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 03:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, I feel like a lot of fantasy stories suffer from the writers getting too wrapped up in the whole, "Just about anything can happen!!" thus leading to seriously improbably solutions.

Yes! The best supernatural stories feel plausible and human. That's why I tend to prefer supernatural stories that focus on the characters and on long-term struggle, and why I consider other stories bad when they seem to just focus on OH LOOK AT THIS MAGNIFICENT, SENSATIONALIST CREATURE WE RANDOMLY THREW HERE TO CREATE TERROR AND MAYHEM BEFORE IT WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THE STORYLINE COMPLETELY IN ABOUT AN HOUR. Real life happens in stages, not flashes.

[Grimm] in general uses real German words when naming their supernatural creatures. (blutbad, bauerschweine, fuchsbau, etc.) The fact that they use actual German might lend the name more cred but sometimes it just sound silly.

I have German in my blood, and I still find most German-themed things odd. *is sheepish about this fact*

The biggest strength this show has going for it is that they don't let the supernatural element in Nick's life overshadow every corner of his existence. I'm sensing that the show is starting to close the walls on him a little but I like that he isn't constantly bemoaning how to keep this stuff from Juliette and whining that all he wants to be is normal.

I'm not sure if I like that particular aspect, actually. I kind of like shows in which the main character feels trapped by the responsibility he/she feels to carry on whatever thing they have to carry on with. But I am interested in it. I can see how it can make Grimm seem, overall, like a lighter show than it could be.

In any case, "Main Character Haunted By His/Her Great, Amazing Gifts That Allow Him/Her To Do AWESOME Things" really is getting to be a little overused and tiresome, so variation from that is a welcome thing.

The show's done a nice job of showing Wesen who are less than good (we get one every week killing someone) but also showing us Wesen who are just trying to live their lives.

From what I've seen of Grimm, I like that, too. I like how his partner is essentially someone who Grimms of the past wouldn't have hesitated to put an end to, and yet Nick isn't doing that.

Nick's aunt who was the Grimm before him was rather scary. Not just because she could kick ass despite being riddled with cancer but it was so clear how heartless she could be.

Oh yeah, her death scene was incredible because she went out being lethal, even with all those tubes in her arms. Must've been an interesting existence that carved her character into being.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
In any case, "Main Character Haunted By His/Her Great, Amazing Gifts That Allow Him/Her To Do AWESOME Things" really is getting to be a little overused and tiresome, so variation from that is a welcome thing.

I feel like this has been the theme for every single show I have ever gone fandom-crazy for. Every. Single. Show. And obviously it's a theme that can work very well but it almost feels inevitable that shows overuse the angsting where it just slips into whining.

So, yes. I do appreciate Grimm mixing it up a little by giving us a pretty well-adjusted hero. Granted, Nick is starting to sweat over how he'll tell Juliette. His sympathetic aunt told him to break up with her as a solution.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_HurricaneSkyguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 04:16 am (UTC)
Apologies for the capslock. I don't feel like going back and seeing what it looks like un-capslocked
Eh-heh-heh...heeeeeh. Yeah, I have trouble giving full credence to the "HOW CAN I TELL MY GIRLFRIEND?"-related angst. Especially given my exposure to:

Supernatural (most notable): HOW CAN I TELL MY BROTHER I'M DATING A DEMON/CAUSED THE APOCALYPSE/WAS TORTURED IN HELL AND AM HAVING FLASHBACKS/I'M AFRAID OF FALLING AND NOW WHOOPS I JUST ATE A TON OF SOULS AND THEY HURT AND WHOOPS I JUST MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE DIE OH DAMN.

Sherlock: KEEP YOUR EYES FIXED ON ME (HOW DO I UNDO THIS LATER?)/"MY BEST FRIEND"/"FREAK"/"HIGH-FUNCTIONING SOCIOPATH"/ETC.

Doctor Who: I KILLED MY ENTIRE RACE, WOE!/"NOBODY DIES TODAY!"...AND THEN ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL DIES ANYWAY.

Going back to, "How do I tell my girlfriend I have what might seem to be moments of schizophrenia (and yet aren't) that lead to me fighting evil beings?" seems less horrific. XD

Edited at 2012-02-12 04:17 am (UTC)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 04:19 am (UTC)
Re: Apologies for the capslock. I don't feel like going back and seeing what it looks like un-capslo
I suppose you can extrapolate that Nick's greater concern is not so much "will my girlfriend accept me and my supernatural life?" but more "I really, really think keeping my supernatural life from my girlfriend might lead to her death."

However. Even with that, I'm not all that invested in that storyline as something that should cause Nick to brood in the dark.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.guardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 04:30 am (UTC)
Re: Apologies for the capslock. I don't feel like going back and seeing what it looks like un-capslo
I just find myself thinking of Spiderman. Whether or not Mary Jane knows who Peter Parker is, she still ends up screaming and being flung about and generally not very happy at the end of her days, just because she knows him. Maybe it has to do with popularity! The more well-known A Person Who Fights Evil is, the more all of his/her relationships are in danger.
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on February 12th, 2012 04:33 am (UTC)
Re: Apologies for the capslock. I don't feel like going back and seeing what it looks like un-capslo
I'd like to think that given what we've seen of Juliette, if a Wesen tried to fling her about, she'd just pick up a frying pan and brain him. The show sort of went there in the Game Ogre episode.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: BBT_NerdDance!guardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 04:39 am (UTC)
Re: Apologies for the capslock. I don't feel like going back and seeing what it looks like un-capslo
Well, I say, "Rock on, girl power!" Perhaps Nick truly does have nothing to worry about, and his life shall remain 100% angst-free!
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: BL_FlamingoInCrowdguardian_chaos on February 12th, 2012 04:19 am (UTC)
I feel like this has been the theme for every single show I have ever gone fandom-crazy for. Every. Single. Show. And obviously it's a theme that can work very well but it almost feels inevitable that shows overuse the angsting where it just slips into whining.

Oh, and by the way, I'm glad you pointed that out. I'm so used to reading that this is a bad trope, to be avoided at all costs. But you're right, I'm inevitably drawn to this so-called "trope" theme, so this is clearly bad advice. I can't believe I hadn't really realized that until just now.