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23 September 2011 @ 10:11 pm
Supernatural: Meet the New Boss  
I foresee another season of me periodically tuning into this show.


I really, seriously thought that it would turn out Castiel giving up the souls would turn out to be some bizarre hallucination of Sam's at the end. I really did. But then the sequence kept going and going. And then I thought somehow this whole thing was one huge elaborate plan of Castiel's to somehow test Dean's loyalty or something. I mean, they surely weren't going to ditch this idea of Castiel being the somewhat Big Bad of this season so soon were they? Did the show bow to the pressures of fan outrage? Well...yes and no.

I can't decide if I'm pleased or annoyed with the show for incorporating the leviathans plot twist. On one hand, these things that are older than souls and angels seem super-scary. And Misha Collins finally gets to play COMPLETE CRAZY. On the other hand, it gives the show a bit of an out in regards to giving us a season of pure god!Castiel who has to be held responsible for his misdeeds. With the knowledge that the leviathans are now inside everyone's favorite angel, it seems like we can basically forgive him for all the chaos he's about wreak as it's not really him in there. If he survives the leviathans taking him out on a joyride that is.

As always, Death brought some wonderful old school cool and polish into this episode. I want him to be a regular now. How I giggled myself silly when Bobby awkwardly addressed him as Your Honor. I also tittered a whole lot at the looks of mutual "WTF DEAN NO SHUT UP!" on Sam and Bobby's faces when Dean told Death they were the boss of him now.

We also see the return of Lucifer. Sort of. He's just a figment of Sam's slowly decaying mind but I did feel some nostalgia when Mark Pellegrino popped up again. Also: CROWLEY IN A TRAILER.
 
 
 
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_IDon'tUnderstandThatReferenceguardian_chaos on September 27th, 2011 05:04 am (UTC)
I rather enjoyed the premier! I'll probably sit down with more thoughts later, but I do think that Misha, for all my reservations, will make a fantastic Leviathan. He sort of reminded me of Misha from the gag reels, actually... I can picture him shrieking, "Confetti! It's a parade!! 8D" while something horrible that he's caused rains down around him. Misha playing a creature that has been locked away for thousands of years, likely going mad bit by bit for all that time, has a lot of potential. I'm interested! Almost against my will! Since, y'know, the Castiel thing.

Speaking of, every Castiel scene made me happy, for various reasons. I don't really mind that he was "redeemed" so quickly. I almost feel like he would've become unforgivable with alarming speed if his remorse hadn't kicked in so quickly. Plus: "I NEED HELP." Why is it that only Castiel is capable of saying that in this show? Things in Supernatural would be so much easier for everyone if the characters were just willing to say that when they started, oh, hallucinating, craving blood, losing sleep because they're dreaming of Hell, etc...

Oh, and yes, Death is made of win. Heh. You know what I mean. :)

CROWLEY IN A TRAILER. This deserves repeating, definitely. :D
formerly lifeinsomniac: Castieljoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 01:32 am (UTC)
I feel like the show did a nice twist in essentially redeeming Castiel but leaving him the "villain" by basically having his vessel be taken over by the Leviathan. It'll be strange to see Misha Collins play something other than stoic and/or subtly sad. But it should be entertaining.

Things in Supernatural would be so much easier for everyone if the characters were just willing to say that when they started, oh, hallucinating, craving blood, losing sleep because they're dreaming of Hell, etc...

I think this is what was making me more or less lose interest in the Winchesters. They seriously DON'T CHANGE. No matter what gets thrown at them (Monsters, ghosts, DEATH TIMES THREE, going to hell, etc.) they never change the way they deal with their issues. It started out as understandable but now they just seem unrealistically static as characters in terms of development.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: ST_Captain'sChairguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 01:40 am (UTC)
It was a sneaky twist, that's for sure. If I had my ideal Supernatural world realized, I would want to see BOTH the Leviathan character and Castiel. So...cheesy split-screens for the win, I suppose. Heh. And you know what? I can't even begin to guess what kind of reactions we're going to get from Castiel once he's de-Levianthaned.

That is annoying, I agree. Hence--FANFIC! *trumpets of glory sound* I did like how Sam was willing to contact Castiel, though. I have this strange feeling that I'm going to like Sam more than Dean this season around, which is a first.

Anyway...*coughs* How're you tonight, 'Scrib? School keeping you busy? :)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 01:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm starting to sort of resent Dean's somewhat unforgiving attitude about certain things. I kind of shared Castiel's hurt expression when Dean ordered Death to reap him.

How're you tonight, 'Scrib? School keeping you busy? :)

Oh my god. Busy is not even the word. Lots of busy work I can probably handle. But this sort of work is just making me so depressed lately.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_Rainguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 01:52 am (UTC)
I know! That was a punch to the gut if there ever was one. I want to be given one good reason why this is so overly-excessive. Preferably not a ridiculous reason like, "Because that is Dean's character". Well, yes! But why?? I want comforting answers, dammit! Even if they're lieeess!! *flails about*

Oh, dang. I've been more depressed than usual lately, too. A lot of it is school-related. Do you want to commiserate? I'm all ears. *hugs* :)
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 01:58 am (UTC)
I feel like Dean given his inability to let the people he loves go, is trying to essentially cut his affection for Castiel at the pass by just telling himself new!Castiel isn't at all the Castiel he'd grown to care about. He's literally some stranger who needs to be destroyed while Sam took the more well-integrated position of seeing how Castiel was still in there somewhere.

Thanks for the offer of a friendly ear. I think for me right now I just need to exercise some distancing from school and just revel in random things like fandom and fics when I have the damn time.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_IDon'tUnderstandThatReferenceguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 02:16 am (UTC)
I don't know why I didn't get the notification for this comment. *tilts head to side and looks bewildered*

I find it amusing that a post-traumatic Sam who is hallucinating constantly is better integrated than Dean is. Oh, Dean, Dean, why so DAMAGED!? XD I think these boys would do well with some social skills classes. Maybe plunk them down with some Kindergartners and teach them how to share their crayons with others. Don't tell me this wouldn't work! IT IS THE ANSWER, I'M TELLING YOU.

Thanks for the offer of a friendly ear. I think for me right now I just need to exercise some distancing from school and just revel in random things like fandom and fics when I have the damn time.

Well, I cannot at all argue with that! I've been watching tiny David Mitchell clips all over YouTube for stress relief. In any case, real life rant or fandom-based chatting, my inbox is available if you want it! I love talking. Heh. :D

I really hope things calm down for you, 'Scrib. I feel bad, knowing how much work you have to do...

formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 02:23 am (UTC)
The Winchesters would SERIOUSLY benefit from some kindergarten-level education of what it means to share. And to learn cooperation.

Hopefully either things will calm down soon or my body and mind will just acclimate. ONE OF THESE THINGS MUST HAPPEN!

I spent my one free day this week watching Suits. I can't tell if I genuinely like the show or if I reached out to it like a dying person just needing SOMETHING to keep my mind entertained.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: MST3K_SoEvil!guardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC)
Of course, they'd have to pay a little extra for the more advanced Kindergarten, which includes the seminar, "How to Be Kind and Courteous When Stabbing Those Trying To End The World With Your Play Scissors". Invaluable skills to be learned in that one! I bet Dean was a pigtail-yanker when he was that young, and Sam was the one forever looking mortified about his brother's drawing sigils with the fingerpaint.

Hopefully either things will calm down soon or my body and mind will just acclimate. ONE OF THESE THINGS MUST HAPPEN!

I AM SENDING GOOD VIBES OF ACCLIMATION YOUR WAY. *hurls gallons of tea into your home* There! FEAST UPON THE CALM AS IT HURTLES DOWN ON YOU!

Is Suits any good? I keep seeing people discuss it's men-friendliness. There, there, 'Scrib. You shall overcome! I have the faith!!

I would be sharing my David Mitchell discoveries, except I imagine you've probably seen all of them already. *blinks rapidly*
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 02:43 am (UTC)
I think I do enjoy Suits for its men-friendliness. It really feels like Psych and Boston Legal meshed together. But I do feel a little annoyed about the sexism in it. There is one good female character but the other two are sort of annoyingly stock characters. But I suppose one can argue the guys are somewhat stock characterish as well.

Which David Mitchell clips are you enjoying of late?
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: ST_FriendlyWordguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 02:51 am (UTC)
I discovered Murphy's Law a couple days ago. I hadn't realized it was made by David E. Kelley! Unless I'm having a spectacular lapse in memory, I believe that's the same guy who made Boston Legal. I was hesitant to check out the show, but it's actually rather entertaining. It's got a Denny Crane-esque man and witty one-liners. I'm hoping it adds balcony scenes and men-friendship to itself soon, but it has great potential, I will say.

And aww, sexism can make a good show crash hard. It's difficult to find females well-represented in shows...

Well! Thus far, I have watched the skits about pillaging, the use of the term "I could care less!" instead of "I couldn't care less!", David Mitchell flailing about at the horror that there are men out there who dress sharply and threaten the standard, black tie look, and I'm about to listen to him talking about beer advertisements. I may go back to the clip I have posted on my journal about wasting pasty-wrapped sausage by hurling it off buildings, since that skit amused me. I like his Soapbox clips!! He's so good at derisive, comical ranting. :D
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
Oh, I totally gorged myself on his Soapbox shorts last year! I loved his rant about "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less." I also loved his take on what it means for a man to bring a woman flowers and all the assumptions one can make about it.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: BL_FlamingoInCrowdguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 03:03 am (UTC)
Oh my goodness, that flower one must be hysterical! It's really kind of funny to contemplate what is truly being given from one person to another in the case of the offering of a bouquet of flowers. Also, I just spelled bouquet wrong, which says a lot about the vocabulary I'm prone to use, I think. XD I'm watching a clip now about "Man Flu" that includes this line:

"It can't be denied that most of the people at any given Jimmy Chu sale are women, and most of the people at any given Effe Cup final are not. I expect. Obviously, I can't stand the thought of going to either, and that's why, in comedy terms, I'm classed as a sexless robot." ~David Mitchell

He's so caustic and self-deprecating! And strange as it is to say this, it's great!!

I do tend to enjoy characters who flaunt their grammatical superiority. See: Sherlock, David Mitchell, Bob from the Dresden Files (remember the inferring/implying conversation between Harry and Ancient Mai? Ah! That made me smile. ^_^). All wonderful!
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 03:11 am (UTC)
Have you watched episodes of Would I Lie to You? David Mitchell is hysterical in some of those. That and also QI. His rant about saving the bees vs. wasting honey in one of his QI appearances is gold. It's such twisted logic but it sort of makes sense! I'm a big sucker for twisted logic. See: your exact same list above.

Ah, Bob's education on implying and inferring! I STILL miss that show.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: DTamers_BeautifulNightguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 03:18 am (UTC)
Yes, I have! Not very many, though. The sausage in a pastry clip I referenced above was from Would I Lie To You? That's such a cool show concept, the trying to figure out if someone is lying or not for the purposes of comedy. I'm not sure if I've seen any QI, since I'm not even sure what that stands for. Perhaps I'll check that out next! I'm watching the flowers clip, and you're right, this is golden! :D

My parents used to raise honey bees, back when I was really young. I used to get my child-self dressed up in a suit that was way too big for me (at the time, only adult-sized bee-provoking suits were being made---I can't imagine why!) and waddle in yards of excess cloth over to the hive to watch them get smoked out and their honey stolen from them. It was actually a great time, which was why I was interested when the "Missing Honeybees" thing started making headlines.

Me too!! Ah, me too. :( I keep finding Dresden Files fic tidbits when I surf through my old notebooks. That show really captured my ability to write. Gah. It is sorely missed... I want more! *flails about*
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 03:21 am (UTC)
Here's the debate on bees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJW5cNHCoOA

That sounds like fun! Your parents keeping beehives that is. Canon!Sherlock Holmes retired to raise bees!

I still want to at times revisit the Trickster's influence on Harry and Bob. But that's still yet another story in my backlog of stories I'd like to one day write. SIGH.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: SPN_IDon'tUnderstandThatReferenceguardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 03:31 am (UTC)
Ohh!! Thank you! *clicks!*

Actually, I made one of my best friends through looking like a total freak in my too-large bee suit. The suits were giant white lumps with dark screens that covered the faces of my parents and I, somewhat like astronaut suits. My parents and I would waltz out into our yard and surround the white pillar where our bees were housed, occasionally poking the pillar or circling it to check for worker/drones/queen ratios.

We looked rather strange, as you can imagine. Evidently, our neighbors thought we, in our white suits and face-hiding suits, were part of a cult. They have told us that they were terrified of us for quite some time, and that they'd taken video evidence of our strange, circling-the-pillar actions from beyond the fence limits that separated our two houses. Months later, we started becoming the best of friends, and have remained so for years. I still think it's hilarious that the first impression of one of my best friends regarding me was that I was a member of a terrifying, pillar-worshipping cult. We all laugh about it now, often hysterically. XD

I still want to at times revisit the Trickster's influence on Harry and Bob. But that's still yet another story in my backlog of stories I'd like to one day write. SIGH.

Well, I would be happy to occasionally Internet-poke you about that, someday when school is less pressing! I'd really enjoy seeing the Trickster, Bob, and Harry interact again!! They're great! :D
formerly lifeinsomniacjoonscribble on September 28th, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
Did you neighbors think your cult worshiped the Great Bee God? (Or I guess Goddess since bees surround themselves around a queen?) Or did they not notice that the white pillars had bees flying around them?

I have this hilarious image of your neighbors spying on you and being all O_O "They're at the pillars again. What's that ABOUT?!"

Perhaps one day my Trickster will return to the Dresden-verse. At the moment, I should really concentrate on getting John back to life and Sherlock tackling angels and demons.
Astoundingly fond of avocados and rainy weather.: MST3K_SoEvil!guardian_chaos on September 28th, 2011 03:50 am (UTC)
It just so happened that our two yards had just enough distance between them so that our neighbors could make out the pillar quite clearly, but probably not to realize that there were bees flying around it. As far as they knew, I imagine we were simply the three unstable people (one of us short and waddle-prone due to the too-large suit) that would occasionally step into suburbia dressed like astronauts, as though we would catch on fire if our helmets were ever removed. I don't know what they must have thought! I'm told they had many theories, though. Hee!

It's funny, because it really was a big thing between us for a while! Apparently they would call members of their family to the fence to stare at us and try to figure out what the hell we were doing. They did this quietly, and we must have been oblivious people, as we didn't know we were receiving so much attention at all. Hehe. I dunno, once we started talking, they were always the nicest people and so very intelligent and accepting, so it didn't really affect us in a negative way. It's just amusing. XD Sometimes it comes up in conversation that they might still have the video footage somewhere, but if they do, neither of us has ever been able to find it. I'd so LOVE to see it, though!

Perhaps one day my Trickster will return to the Dresden-verse. At the moment, I should really concentrate on getting John back to life and Sherlock tackling angels and demons.

Those sound like good goals! :D